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05-22-2008, 03:27 PM
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| bz2010, ever hear of the "Peter Principle?" McCain is experienced at being wrong about invading Iraq. Is that the kind of experience you value? He's been in the Senate for a real, real long time. Okay. Maybe he's a competent senator. But seriously - what about McCain makes you think he'd be any better for America than the last eight years have been? What would he do differently than what George Bush has done? There's an "objective" question for you. | 
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05-22-2008, 03:37 PM
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#167 | | New Member
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| He will go to the bathroom more. At his age, he is sure to have an enlarged prostate. | |
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05-22-2008, 03:42 PM
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#168 | | Senior Member
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| What you say is true, sunnymamere. | 
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05-22-2008, 03:46 PM
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#169 | | Member
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Originally Posted by bz2010 One of the most amazing phenomena I have witnessed on this forum is the un-objectivity displayed by certain candidates' supporters. | With all due respect, as the person who for something like 2 straight months responded to essentially every political thread with some variation on "McCain is the best possible candidate because he's honorable and amazing and smart and experienced and a straight shooter and knows what we need and... and.. etc. etc.", I think you might be the last person who should be condemning subjectivity on the part of any candidate's supporters. | |
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05-22-2008, 03:48 PM
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#170 | | Senior Member
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| ^ you done with your finals? | |
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05-22-2008, 03:49 PM
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#171 | | Senior Member
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What would he do differently than what George Bush has done?
| He would have fired Rummy a year earlier...remember the call for Rummys head started with McCain.
Bush's problem is he listened too much to advisors and led too little! McCain is known to cross aisles. He has a complete understanding of the military and I give him credit for even now going against the party and the military by saying No waterboarding.
It's interesting the dems say he is a too much like Bush---the republican and republicans say he is a RINO.
Look at McCain's voting record he has bills co-sponsored with dems, he has voted against tax cuts b/c it wasn't tied to reduction in spending.
The main reason I like him is because he believes the more govt is involved the more likely they will screw it up, then they have to go back and fix what they screwed up, which causes another problem, and the cycle continues. McCain believes in less govt and that is what I want...I do not want some law dictating my healthcare.
B4 you say well McCain as a sen. was one that screwed it up, remember this is also the guy who has never taken earmarks and tried to control spending. And if you give that credit to the senate and congress, then how did Bush screw it up, since you are now saying they screwed it up and not Bush. Also I am still waiting to see what the dem controlled capitol has done over the past 2 yrs that has made a difference. Geez the mtg world has been in a crisis for over a yr and they still can't figure out what to do, the illegal immigrant issue has got to be at least 2 yrs old and no answer at that front either! | |
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05-22-2008, 04:10 PM
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#172 | | Senior Member
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| "McCain is experienced at being wrong about invading Iraq"
It is easy to thump your chest when you are outside. If he was inside he would have voted 'present'.
Remember 70% of American public brain washed by TV pundits and Bush administration believed there were WMDs and were in support of invasion. | |
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05-22-2008, 04:27 PM
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| Hey 1of42 - I never said I wasn't guilty of supporting my candidate wholeheartedly. Once I made up my mind, I became pretty committed to his success. But at the same time, IF Obama or Hillary had convinced me in any way that s/he were the best candidate, I would've been open to change.
I merely made an observation in my last post - as a poster on this forum, I'm subject to the same observation. | |
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05-22-2008, 05:24 PM
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#174 | | Member
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| Uh, Simba? If everyone was brainwashed into thinking that there were WMD's in Iraq why wasn't Obama?
(And by the way, you just embarrass yourself when you repeat your snippy "voted present" line over and over in the view of anyone who bothered to actually look into the question.) Fact Check: Obama's 'present' votes - Boston.com | |
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05-22-2008, 05:51 PM
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| This is the best article yet I've seen summing up Obama.
Quote- "He struck me than as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him."
Quote- "Paul Krugman noted months ago that Obamaistas display a cultish quality in the sense that they treat others' criticism or failure to support their icon as a character flaw or sin."
Quote- "Obama's style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Repbulican."
Well worth reading. Http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 | |
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05-22-2008, 06:32 PM
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#176 | | Member
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| Other than the vacuous, "neener-neener" parts which did you find most worth reading, Quote: |
he actually goes beyond Clinton and rehearses the scurrilous and ridiculous sort of narrative Bill Cosby has made infamous.
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no politician in this system is likely to be a person you’d want for your sister-in-law or brother-in-law. And, as many Progressive readers may know, I’m hardly a Clinton fan. I’m on record in last November’s issue as saying that I’d rather sit out the election entirely than vote for either her or Obama.
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the middle-aged white woman’s report of not having paid much attention to Obama early on, but having been won over by the enthusiasm and energy of their adolescent or twenty-something daughters. (A colleague recently reported having heard this narrative from a friend, citing the latter’s conversion at the hands of her eighteen year old. I observed that three short years ago the daughter was likely acting the same way about Britney Spears.)
| My personal opinion? It's a snotty, self-indulgent, self-important, self aggrandizing spite frenzy. Parent2noles does a better job of criticizing Obama. | |
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05-22-2008, 06:36 PM
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#177 | | Junior Member
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| Is P2N a highly respected AA Professor of Political Science at Penn like Reed?
Maybe you're one of those Obamaistas Krugman refers to?
I'm not getting why any criticism of BO appears to have to be ridiculed or attempted to be shut down i n these parts.
Adios. | |
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05-22-2008, 06:37 PM
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#178 | | Member
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| simba: I am indeed and am very happy to be done.  | |
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05-22-2008, 07:03 PM
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Remember 70% of American public brain washed by TV pundits and Bush administration believed there were WMDs and were in support of invasion.
| No, Simba, they were brainwashed by Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Madelyn Albright, George Tenant, John Kerry and countless other Democrats who told me that WMD existed in Iraq. Are you incapable of holding Democrats accountable? | |
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05-22-2008, 08:10 PM
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#180 | | Member
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| Quick question, Razorsharp -- have the Republicans ever taken responsibility for anything? | |
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