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05-16-2008, 07:55 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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| Boo Hoo. Both sides do this and I don't see anything wrong with it, either way. As long as people aren't making up lies why is this a bad thing? So what, it doesn't look good, that's the whole point. You think McCains 100 year in Iraq quote isn't going to be flashing on your TV screens constantly this fall? He said it, he has to live with it. Just like Mrs. Obama said what she said and, as long as you don't make anything up/lie about her, there's nothing wrong with it.
I hate everyone saying "oh, can't we just have a civil election?" Hell no, I don't want a civil election. 1) It's boring and 2) I'd like to know as much as I can about everybody, including their "bad" qualities or "poor" choice of words. | 
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05-16-2008, 07:56 PM
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| Quote:
CINDY MCCAIN IS SELLING HER SUDAN HOLDINGS BECAUSE SHE GOT CAUGHT.
SUDAN IS THE PLACE TO INVEST IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, SINCE IT IS ONE OF THE NEXT OIL HOT SPOTS.
INVEST IN A COUNTRY SLAUGHTERING PEOPLE? THIS WE WANT FOR OUR FIRST LADY?
AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY (OF EMBARRASSMENT) TO CRITICIZE OBAMA!
I DON'T INVESTIGATE MY MUTUAL FUND HOLDINGS BECAUSE I HAVE NONE, BUT WHAT I DO HAVE, I KNOW TO THE PENNY.
AND DURING THE DAYS OF APARTHEID I DIDN'T OWN A PIECE OF THEIR GOLD, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A HOT INVESTMENT.
I ALSO DON'T OWN DIAMONDS.
| Really? Do you buy gasoline?
If yes, you support dictators who kill their own citizens. Go you!
Bad people do things all the time....and guess what, 100% of people support them by buying goods they produce!
It's this strange world that we call reality. | |
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05-16-2008, 08:39 PM
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| Why did we stop at the door ? Why not probe further ?
Mrs Obama said "she's proud of America for the first time in her life".
She is only proud because her husband stood to gain the oval office.
* It also meant she was not proud when Americans landed on the moon.
* She was not proud when the wall came back. The Berlin Wall. That found its genesis in Mr Reagan's "President Gorbachev, take down this wall !" speech with huge assist from venerable Maggie Thacher. Unlike the bloody war preceded it, we won the cold war without an armed conflict.
* She was not proud when Americans came to the aid of her ally to repel Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, without seeking overt rewards.
* She was not proud of American achievements in science, commerce and medicine in the last quarter century.
Was Mrs Obama and her family too close to the Rev Wright ? | |
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05-16-2008, 10:51 PM
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| "Really? Do you buy gasoline?" Mr. Payne
Not only do I buy gasoline, I invest in it.
But, I invest in very select countries that do not engage in human rights' violations, and I AM NOT RUNNING FOR FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES.
I am also not a multimillionaire, and my choices to not sink into poverty are much different than Cindy McCains.
The CORPORATE POLITICAL COMPLEX has made it impossible to not use gas and oil, since I live a civilized existence and heat my house with gas and drive a car. BUT, I am not investing in the Middle East, Venezuela, or Sudan. I know where the companies I own invest, and human rights violations don't occur there. | |
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05-17-2008, 12:20 AM
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| Maybe my pea-size brain is regressing. I have a hard time following the post above. Is it a good thing or a bad thing, and who are you aiming at ?
And why don't we probe deeper like YW suggests ? There is more to what Michelle Obama said and didn't say. | |
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05-17-2008, 09:48 AM
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| "Boo Hoo. Both sides do this and I don't see anything wrong with it, either way. As long as people aren't making up lies why is this a bad thing? So what, it doesn't look good, that's the whole point. You think McCains 100 year in Iraq quote isn't going to be flashing on your TV screens constantly this fall? He said it, he has to live with it. Just like Mrs. Obama said what she said and, as long as you don't make anything up/lie about her, there's nothing wrong with it."
I think it's stupid and weak politics to make a prospective first spouse the target of political ads. To me doing so indicates that the attackers don't have ammunition to attack the presidential candidate. The attackers also look very cowardly to be attacking someone who's a family member, not a person running for office.
Unless a prospective first spouse says something like, "If my spouse is elected I'll use my position to spy for America's enemies" or "My spouse is a liar, a bigot and embezzler, so don't vote for them", the person's thoughts and words are inconsequential. | |
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05-17-2008, 09:53 AM
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| This whole argument is dumb.
Both sides are saying things that don't make any sense and are making arguments not because they believe them, but because they are being defensive.
None of these things even if they were true would have any relevancy to the presidency. Grow up. | |
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05-17-2008, 10:06 AM
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| If growing up means excuses everything, I will never grow up.
There are tons of relevancy. Barrack Obama has said repeatedly that Michelle is the pillar of the Obama family, one he draws strength from and consults with. She is someone whose views he respects and fair to say, shares. I want my commander-in-chief to not have any questions about his character - we already knew he had a racist pastor for 20 years. Tyler09, smoothing out everything and pretend not to see is not growing up, in my book. | |
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05-17-2008, 04:07 PM
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Not only do I buy gasoline, I invest in it.
But, I invest in very select countries that do not engage in human rights' violations, and I AM NOT RUNNING FOR FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES.
I am also not a multimillionaire, and my choices to not sink into poverty are much different than Cindy McCains.
| FYI, simply buying gas means you are propping up prices for oil producing nations. It's inescapable (if you buy gas). Quote: |
The CORPORATE POLITICAL COMPLEX has made it impossible to not use gas and oil, since I live a civilized existence and heat my house with gas and drive a car.
| You don't need a car, it's a luxury. You don't need to heat your house, it is a luxury. Quote: |
BUT, I am not investing in the Middle East, Venezuela, or Sudan. I know where the companies I own invest, and human rights violations don't occur there.
| Once again, it's not where you invest, it's where you consume. About 15% of the oil in this country comes from Saudi Arabia & Venezuela. So yeah, you support dictators and stuff. | |
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05-17-2008, 04:24 PM
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| edvest1, if you don't want you commander-in-chief to have any lingering questions about his character, can I assume you won't be supporting the candidate with the drug addict trophy wife who embezzled money from her own charity? Or do things like that only matter if it's the Democratic candidate's wife? | |
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05-17-2008, 04:33 PM
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| I think the spouse is a fair political target if (s)he jumps into current discussions. Michelle Obama made at least one regrettable statement, Bill Clinton has made several, Mrs. McCain won't release her tax returns...but perhaps that is reasonable since she's never filed jointly with her husband.
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05-17-2008, 07:16 PM
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| 1of42, Mrs McCain is a drug addict and embezzler ? Can you back that up ? | |
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05-17-2008, 07:18 PM
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| Edvest, the Financial Times has some coverage on that, in a rather lightweight article covering all three potential first spouses, see www.ft.com - | 
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05-17-2008, 07:24 PM
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| edvest1, it's pretty common knowledge. You can check the Wikipedia article on her ( Cindy Hensley McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) for some general background, and if that's not enough there are numerous sources cited there which you are welcome to explore to broaden your understanding of the issue, and lts added another.
Past the "what, really?" response, though, I'm interested in whether that materially effects your opinion of McCain, or if such things are only relevant to Obama in your mind. | |
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05-17-2008, 07:51 PM
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edvest1, it's pretty common knowledge. You can check the Wikipedia article on her (Cindy Hensley McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) for some general background, and if that's not enough there are numerous sources cited there which you are welcome to explore to broaden your understanding of the issue, and lts added another.
Past the "what, really?" response, though, I'm interested in whether that materially effects your opinion of McCain, or if such things are only relevant to Obama in your mind.
| I think the standard Republican dodge is that 1st husbands/wives are only eligible for attacks if they are actively campaigning for their husband/wife. | |
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