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Old 07-10-2008, 09:26 AM   #1
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Obama's comments on language

During a town hall meeting yesterday in Powder Springs, Ga., Obama said the following:

"Now I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But … understand this: Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English—they’ll learn English—you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. "

Now, I think every well-educated person should study another language. I studied Spanish for 6 years myself, but my own children have chosen to study Latin. And German is also very popular at their school. It appears to me he is pushing Spanish because of the large influx of Latino immigrants in this country, and I have a problem with that. Anybody else?
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:35 AM   #2
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One of my kids learned Latin, the other French; both learned some Spanish. I don't have a problem with promoting learning Spanish. The reality is that there are a lot of Spanish-speaking people within the US and south of the US. It's a pragmatic decision.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:12 AM   #3
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One of mine took French in HS, the other Latin. When the later had to take a language in college, he chose Spanish for purely pragmatic reasons. At around the same time, the elder was looking for jobs, and lost many because they required Spanish. So, whether you resent the present reality or not--for practical reasons, learning Spanish makes a whole lot of sense.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:42 AM   #4
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My d is majoring in Spanish (& Econ) and I want to learn Spanish myself. I always encouraged my children to learn many languages. My s knows 3 and d knows 4, though to be honest, I think they are only fluent in English, despite $$ I shelled out in immersion in foreign countries.

Having said that, I feel we should have very strong encouragement (esp from our leaders) of all people to know English well. I've heard in parts of the country now, Spanish speaking has reached a critical mass where one do not have to know English at all to function pretty well. If that is in fact true (I don't actually live in those places) I am not sure that is good for the country.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:44 AM   #5
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I saw the video, and my impression was that he was promoting learning foreign languages in general, and only mentioned Spanish as an example. He also makes the point that children can learn languages much more easily when they are younger than the ages at which languages are usually offered in schools.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:50 AM   #6
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I understand that we have a lot of Latin-Americans in this country now, so I am encouraging my kids to study Latin.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:21 AM   #7
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It was a stupid response. Obama strangely turned a question regarding the necessity for immigrants to learn English into a surreal discourse on how Americans look bad in Europe for not knowing the local language when visiting on vacation. He also repeated the demonstrably false canard that everyone in Europe can speak multiple languages and nearly everyone speaks English. I've been in several countries in Europe on business, and outside the UK I found at best half of the college-educated business people I met with spoke English, and far less than that did outside of tourist areas. They might have more years of mandatory foreign language education, but it doesn't necessarily stick -- any more than three years of Latin or four years of Spanish made WashDadJr fluent (he's not).
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:45 PM   #8
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^ To call it a stupid response is.... stupid

He was saying how instead of worrying about immigrants learning english, which they do my the second generation, we should even moreso be paying attention to the fact that when it comes to world languages American students are exceedingly behind.

The mentality that all other cultures should learn english is imperialistic, elitist, and stems from racism.
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:57 PM   #9
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I think to link worrying about immigrants learning English and Americans learning another language is comparing apples and oranges.
Immigrants who don't speak English cost the US and other businesses money in providing translation services. Just because you want the immigrant to learn Enlish doesn't mean that you are against Americans learning another language.
I see second generation immigrants who don't speak English quite frequently at the hospital where I work.
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:02 PM   #10
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The mentality that all other cultures should learn english is imperialistic, elitist, and stems from racism.
This is wrong on so many levels it is hard to know where to begin.

Racism? Please.

I am sure that it was racist imperialism that forced most Swedish high school students to become fluent in English.

Would it then be a form of Spanish imperialism, or even racism, for Senator Obama to suggest that we should be learning Spanish? ...just in case.

Yes, knowing another language is a marvelous thing; as is a thorough knowledge of Russian literature. It is not, however, a necessary condition of civility to be fluent in either one. Just nicer…usually.

Everyone in my family is fluent in a minimum of two languages. My daughter is completely fluent in 4 languages. She enjoys learning other languages. Not everyone does.

It does help, however, to be able to speak English in the United States.

I suppose one would do well to learn Spanish in Honduras...or Portuguese in Brazil.


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Old 07-10-2008, 01:06 PM   #11
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My 3 sons who are otherwise very intelligent struggle with languages and not for lack of trying. Mandatory language courses have dropped their gradepoints in both high school and college. Son #4 on the other hand did well. Same teachers, same level of intelligence and effort.
Some people are programmed better I think for learning languages.
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:20 PM   #12
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I've heard in parts of the country now, Spanish speaking has reached a critical mass where one do not have to know English at all to function pretty well. If that is in fact true (I don't actually live in those places) I am not sure that is good for the country.
I think that's troubling as well. When there are large pockets of a nation's population separated by a major language barrier, that barrier inevitably acts to erode national unity. I too, believe that everyone should be multi-lingual, if possible. But I think we proceed down a wrong path when we insist on being so completely accommodating to large segments of the population who either refuse to learn, or are indifferent to learning the language of the dominant culture. It provides little incentive to them to linguistically assimilate, and costs governments (state, local, national) staggering amounts of money.
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:42 PM   #13
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^ To call it a stupid response is.... stupid

He was saying how instead of worrying about immigrants learning english, which they do my the second generation, we should even moreso be paying attention to the fact that when it comes to world languages American students are exceedingly behind.

The mentality that all other cultures should learn english is imperialistic, elitist, and stems from racism.
The argument that "people living in the US should learn English" is somehow related to the argument that "Americans should learn foreign languages" is what I thought was stupid. They are no more linked than "people living in the US should learn English" and "the US should spend more on roads." There is no policy connection at all. Talking about US racism is just throwing dirt and grass in the air, unless you think that not learning Finnish before a trip to Finland is racist.
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Old 07-10-2008, 03:19 PM   #14
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"I've heard in parts of the country now, Spanish speaking has reached a critical mass where one do not have to know English at all to function pretty well. If that is in fact true"

It is true. In general new immigrants tend to form their own bubble. Then there is cable and satellite. One can watch TV programs in their native language 24/7. When we came here TV was the best 'teacher'.

I don't think it is imperialist or racist at all to ask people to learn the language of a country they are living. I find it rather arrogant to suggest that your kids should learn spanish.
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Old 07-10-2008, 04:01 PM   #15
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Simba, it's not arrogant: it's practical.
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