Human Caused Global Warming Revisited - Page 2

momof2inca · 07-18-2008, 03:35 PM

636, if choose to live in fear of contracting a disease that is almost entirely preventable through safe-sex practices and that affects .22% of all U.S. women and .77% of all men (that's LESS THAN ONE PERCENT, in case you missed the decimal point), than I can't really help ya.

And to use the words "thankfully millions more have died" at the beginning of a post negates just about anything you could possibly say afterwards. (And yeah, I get that it was sarcastic.)

Nice job making your opinions irrelevant.

THXZPI636 · 07-18-2008, 03:41 PM

Oh yeah, well I say your opinions don't matter and that you prove yourself wrong without offering any evidence whatsoever.

And now, we are 4. good job.

636

barrons · 07-18-2008, 03:41 PM

Most people with AIDS have it because we did not treat it as we should have when it first broke out. And most don't live productive lives. Many are on Medicaid and SSI as my wife treats them every day and does their paperwork. Your grossly hysterical portrait of how we treat dangerous diseases is ridiculous. What you do have is detailed contact tracing, mandatory testing, and constant follow-up.

And AIDS is not just a US disease. Worldwide many millions have died.

AIDS to be 3rd leading cause of death - USATODAY.com

kluge · 07-18-2008, 03:41 PM

Of course, the APS has not changed its stance on global warming:

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APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

In other words: just more disinformation from th folks who have no respect for science or simple acuracy - and faithfully repeated by the denial blogs and eventually echoed here.

The actual stance of the APS:

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Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

How hard do folks have to want to believe that the science behind climate change predictions is just a conspiracy, etc. cooked up by Al Gore and other evil people to continue to swallow this blatant tripe over and over and over again? Wake up, guys - the people feeding you this denialist crap are liars. They're using the same tactics as the tobacco companies did thirty years ago. In many cases it's the same propagandists as the tobacco companies used.

momof2inca · 07-18-2008, 03:50 PM

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Most people with AIDS have it because we did not treat it as we should have when it first broke out.

Please tell us how we should have treated AIDS.

And my grossly hysterical portrait was referencing NOT just how we treat dangerous disease, it was referencing the bottom line of the far-right agenda (which apparently includes shipping off people with contagious diseases into permanent exile and believing the 'science' of failed British politicians who have degrees in classics), and that agenda is: money. Plain and simple.

barrons · 07-18-2008, 03:58 PM

I listed it--read it over. And for people who fail to change their bad behavior--quarantine just as we do with other deadly diseases.

SlitheyTove · 07-18-2008, 05:46 PM

Per Wikipedia, Monckton's statement on AIDS was from 1987. Wikipedia:

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Monckton has since clarified his views on AIDS, stating that "the article was written at the very outset of the AIDS epidemic, and with 33 million people around the world now infected, the possibility of [quarantine] is laughable. It couldn't work."

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What you do have is detailed contact tracing, mandatory testing, and constant follow-up.

That's a huge amount of money and effort, which I suspect could be used in other ways to save more lives. Aside from TB, where we only screen the young and those who work with the young, is there any contagious disease that is screened by mandatory testing as opposed to self-reporting when symptoms emerge? The only examples I can think about are diseases where there's a short onset between infection and symptoms, e.g. SARS or Ebola.

To tie this back in to the original post, there are people who insist that HIV does not cause AIDS. But that's not the consensus for scientists working on AIDS. Mandatory screening for AIDS would be looking for HIV-positive individuals. Global warming version: there are people who insist that human activity does not cause global warming. But that's not the consensus for scientists working on global warming. Finding ways to ameliorate global warming's effects means we look for ways that human activity can be changed.

barrons · 07-18-2008, 06:16 PM

I was talking about what should have been done early on, not now. For many years in most states you needed a VD test before you got married for one.

Also to stop the Spanish Flu many cities took extreme measures.

Open Collections Program: Contagion, Spanish Influenza in North America, 1918–191

SlitheyTove · 07-18-2008, 06:50 PM

But how many years intervened between AIDS first being identified as a disease that was especially hitting gay men and hemophiliacs, and HIV being identified as a way to tell who was a carrier? Without the ability to figure out who was a carrier, no point in mandatory testing, no way to isolate carriers.

Hard_Knocks · 07-18-2008, 06:59 PM

My close friends of opposite political persuasion have said that it doesn't really matter to them if people are responsible for global warming, that the "solutions" are good for us and the planet anyway. So the news re: dissent w/in the scientific community will fall upon deaf ears.

momof2inca · 07-18-2008, 07:04 PM

And aren't the solutions good for us and the planet anyway?

THXZPI636 · 07-19-2008, 07:38 AM

No.

They want there to be no use of coal or oil. If we had never used these two fuel sources we would still be traveling by horse-drawn carriage and ships with sails. We would have no indoor climate control. We would have no food that needed to travel long distances.

We're not supposed to eat beef because cows increase methane emissions.

The environmentalist lobby would prefer the extermination of the human race over anyone doing anything that they don't like, whether or not there's any evidence that certain actions are in any way harmful.

636

momof2inca · 07-19-2008, 01:07 PM

^^ ha, ha. That's a good one. LOL

razorsharp · 07-19-2008, 02:04 PM

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Gay advocates and commentators have hailed a vote by US senators to repeal a travel ban on HIV-positive visitors or immigrants to the United States.

The ban first imposed 20 years ago, and made law in 1993, required foreigners with HIV to apply for special waivers and opponents said it discriminated against people with the disease without cause.

"Barring some unforeseen event, the HIV Travel Ban -- a relic of the days when HIV was a source of fear and stigma and terror -- is finally over," commentator Andrew Sullivan wrote on his blog on the Atlantic magazine's website.

AFP: US activists praise Senate for lifting HIV travel ban

And now we will get many, many of the world's HIV cases to come to American and enjoy free health care at the expense of hard working American taxpayers. Pathetic. This is just another horrible nightmare caused by having a Democrat controlled Senate

coureur · 07-19-2008, 02:40 PM

>>Most people with AIDS have it because we did not treat it as we should have when it first broke out.<<

You certainly are correct about that. When it first broke out, instead of being regarded as the new and serious public health threat that it was, AIDS was widely hailed by conservatives as God's just punishment on the gays. The AIDS epidemic first burst into the public consciousness during the Reagan years - with a Republican congress to boot. And for years AIDS research funding was blocked thanks to them. "AIDS is killing all the right people" was the conservative mantra of the day. So we missed our best chance to save millions of lives by dealing with it early.