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Old 07-26-2008, 03:13 PM   #1
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John McCain, Anbar Awakening, Katie Couric, Coverup

Don't readers find this much more disconcerting than his other "Alzheimer Moments?"
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What do you find disconcerting? I read it, read the posts attached more people are upset with CBS than him.
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:54 PM   #3
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I think it is cumulative impact of his "Moments" that we should be concerned about. He may (may not) have had relevant foreign policy expertise in the past (though I fail to see it - he was ranking member of the Senate Commerce Committee regulating the Internet too, and failed to know how to use a computer), but it seems he may have difficulty now drawing upon it.

I say this with enough respect for him, knowing that he may be the next Pres. (however I vote this time, having voted for him once before.) If I were a Republican, I would be worried for him, and not because he might not get elected, but because he might.
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:04 PM   #4
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Here's my question...Obama has received an enormous amount of positive press coverage because he is running a better campaign, why is it that it is not converting into poll numbers? The Gallup has him up only 6% after a week of very positive press and McCain has received very little...Obama needs to question how he can fill stadiums with tens of thousands, McCain fills coffee houses, but in the end Obama is not leaving him in the dust? I saw something the other day that said Carter had the same phenom against Ford in 76, he even had a 30 pt lead in July and only won by 2% in Nov.

Obama is starting to remind me of Greg Norman...he gets the lead, but can't close the deal!
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:08 PM   #5
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Is it a bigger concern that he misspoke so horrendously, or that there was an attempt at a cover-up? I expect dishonestly from the media, but a barely possible president (sorry, can't imagine Americans are that naive and masochistic to vote for him) making such an error is from the twilight zone.
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:10 PM   #6
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BP, in the polls, the area of prime importance to voters, economics, shows Obama ahead by 14-15%.

Many Obama voters are young and only have cell phones and cannot be reached to survey.
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:11 PM   #7
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I think it's going to take some time for Obama's visit to affect the polls. Obama is just now getting back to the US today.
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Funny. I've been thinking just the opposite. Obama takes him self out of equation for 10 days, leaves all campaigning, positions on the economy, health care, etc. entirely to McCain, with no chance of Obama responding. And instead of going up, his numbers go down.

I readily admit I don't understand polls (and I seriously believe McCain will be the beneficiary of a "race premium" come November which will never be reflected in the polls), but McCain had more than a free week to unveil his major plans for the country, and instead what we've seen are more "moments".

(And I worry more about the "moments" than I do about the polls. He still hasn't explained "Packers v. Steelers" - does he even remember being tortured?)
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This is very true, but it is also a double edge sword, many of them are college age and do not realize that they may need to fill out an absentee ballot, thus they are not counted. Second, younger voters statistically do not show up at the poll. I can still remember Paris Hilton making news b/c she was on the get out the vote drive discussing with Oprah in Oct. how important it is for young voters and how she was going to vote, only for the media to delve into her dirt and prove she wasn't even registered and could not vote.

Statistically it is the older voter who consistently goes to the polls.

Secondly, Rasmussen, Princeton, UVA and several other pollsters have come up and said they believe the polls are running in Obamas favor, but if they use the primaries as an example, the margin is not large enough for Obama to feel safe. Reasoning: people are not answering truthfully due to the fear they may be seen as racist...look at Hillary in PA she had her internals at 12%, pollsters had her at 5-6, she won at 9+.
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:29 PM   #10
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If I were a Republican, I would be worried for him, and not because he might not get elected, but because he might.
And as a Democrat, I am truly praying that he picks an intelligent, agile-minded VP and, if elected, that he cleans the house of Bush's cronies and appoints a new slate of moderates rather than neo-cons. McCain these days reminds me a little of Reagan after they finally let on that he had Alzheimer's. I give Sen. McCain the benefit of the doubt because it has been a long and at times brutal campaign "season" and he's past 70 and has got to be feeling it, but there won't be much rest as President and I doubt he'll take more vacation time than Bush anyhow.
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Old 07-26-2008, 04:53 PM   #11
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mo2 - appreciate your post & the sentiment behind it.

McCain has certainly campaigned longer & harder than anyone else - last summer he was pounding the pavement from Town Hall to Town Hall, carrying his own suitcases & addressing voters a few at a time (you gotta cover a LOT of ground like that!). It's really amazing how much he was able to accomplish in time to pull out the nomination after the depths his campaign had sunk one year ago.

It's really a testament to his stamina AND his ability to garner support from a few people at a time - anyone who interacts w/ him close up "falls in love" (he's the REAL rock star! ).

It's another irony that Obama gets so much credit for "running a great campaign" when all of his large crowds have been gathered by including lots of appearances by other acts (the media always seems to omit that fact), while McCain has engaged in true "grassroots" efforts, gathering followers in neighborhoods & communities. Hopefully the numbers will eventually all add up!
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:00 PM   #12
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It's another irony that Obama gets so much credit for "running a great campaign" when all of his large crowds have been gathered by including lots of appearances by other acts (the media always seems to omit that fact), while McCain has engaged in true "grassroots" efforts, gathering followers in neighborhoods & communities. Hopefully the numbers will eventually all add up!
First of all, I don't think that it is accurate to say McCain is running a grassroots campaign. His supporters are no where near as active as Obama's supporters.

Second, you keep on bringing up the point about there being other acts at Obama rallies. The reason why people in the media haven't been making this point is because it's sort of illogical. At these events, Obama is clearly the main act. I don't think that's disputable. When people choose to go to events, concerts, etc. they go based on whether or not they want to see the main act not the opening acts.
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First of all, I don't think that it is accurate to say McCain is running a grassroots campaign.
He's been collecting many of his supporters thru small Town Hall type gatherings, literally from the ground up.

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His supporters are no where near as active as Obama's supporters.
In what way? You don't know what's going on "behind the scenes" for McCain. The polls are tightening. It's a cumulative effect and gaining ground exponentially. Thre's a lot of activity going on, (I could tell you about it, but then I'd have to kill you )

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When people choose to go to events, concerts, etc. they go based on whether or not they want to see the main act not the opening acts.
If it's a "festival" type of concert, where several acts are on the bill, I would contend that the earlier acts attract much of the attendance. Sometimes the final act isn't even scheduled until late in the schedule when organizers know a lot of people have already left the venue. Not sure if your argument that he is the "main act" is really valid.

In any case, I've been bringing it up mainly b/c the media never seems to mention that there even ARE opening acts!
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Old 07-26-2008, 07:23 PM   #14
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Checking the facts on the Anbar Awakening

And from the article referenced in the video:

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Anbar awakens: The Tipping Point by Sean MacFarland (the officer referenced by Keith Olbermann)

The stunning security improvements in Al Anbar province during 2007 fundamentally changed the military and political landscape of Iraq. Many, both in and outside the military (and as late as November 2006), had assessed the situation in Anbar as a lost cause. The "Anbar Awakening" of Sunni tribal leaders and their supporters that began in September 2006 near Ramadi seemed to come out of nowhere. But the change that led to the defeat of Al-Qaeda in Ramadi-what some have called the "Gettysburg of Iraq"--was not a random event. (1) It was the result of a concerted plan executed by U.S. forces in Ramadi. Tactical victory became a strategic turning point when farsighted senior leaders, both Iraqi and American, replicated the Ramadi model throughout Anbar province, in Baghdad, and other parts of the country, dramatically changing the Iraq security situation in the process...
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Old 07-26-2008, 08:05 PM   #15
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I don't see how that refutes the fact McCain is still wrong on the timeline... That's not what the "surge" is.
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