pugmadkate

jman, I am sorry to hear that you are not able to be yourself. I hope that soon you are able to find a supportive place soon. I wish you the very best of luck.
Fondly,
Kate

Hindoo

You're right, it wasn't. It's also not about right-wing or left-wing, conservative or liberal, Democrat or Republican. It was about bigotry and intolerance.

Hindoo

LGM--You are a class act, I must say. The angry piling-on was getting out of hand and you just waded on through, sticking to the West Wing discussion. I'm with you--what a freaking great show that was. I wish we had a President Bartlett waiting in the wings, don't you?

littlegreenmom

I would vote for Jeremiah Bartlett on Tuesday if I could.

One of the eps that I was watching yesterday was when Josh gave the press conference after CJ had root canal surgery and told the press corps in jest that they had a secret economic plan. Ahh, good times.

Hindoo

I all-but crawled through the television screen to live in West Wing land during those years. Pathetic, I know.

magneticpoet

Wow! Reading through most of these posts again, how is it that I don't just "jump ship" and come on over to your side? You all are so inviting and kind. How in the world do I stay in this 'camp' of so-called "hatefulness" and not run right over to 'your' tolerant side??

You go on to call other posters “insensitive.” Well, LJmama, if the above quote isn’t insensitive, I don’t know what is.

One man's conservative Christian is another man's rightwing wacko & another's commie liberal.

I think I love you.

borgin

It's Josiah "Jed" Bartlet.

I love that episode. I also love the one where Josh is still out after getting shot by the white supremacist, and he calls up CJ so she can mention a story about physicists during her briefing. CJ instead mentions psychics, and the cold open ends with Josh banging his head against the wall.

littlegreenmom

ha ha - sorry, my bad. My daughter's friend has a new baby brother Jeremiah, just born yesterday, 8 lbs, 14 oz!

Lesson learned - don't post and listen to teenagers talk to you at the same time!

Consolation

<<No, you're not. You are intolerant of allowing me to have my beliefs. You don't like that I have a belief that something might be wrong, might be sin. I am intolerant of certain behaviors in that I believe certain behaviors are sinful. I don't claim to be "tolerant." And I am speaking for myself, not necessarily "all Christians" or "all conservatives" nor necessarily "the majority." (And I do not believe that "the majority" is always "the loudest.")>>

*I* don't claim to be tolerant of bigots of any stripe, including you. I don't care whether you are "the majority" or not. That's completely irrelevant.

I certainly defend your right as an American citizen to hold any opinion you wish, no matter how abhorrent I find it, and your constitutional right to express it.

Is that "tolerance"? If so, fine. But "tolerance" doesn't meaning "agreeing to let it go unanswered," which is what you seem to think. And it doesn't include "respect." I don't "respect" the bigoted homophobes who call themselves "conservative Christians" one tiny little bit. I don't have to respect you. I just have to defend your right to free speech

Is that clear enough, LJMama?

maysixxmom

First of all, I'm a straight, married 45 year old female. I was raised by a catholic mother and a orphaned methodist-raised bigot father (kind of like Archie Bunker). I do not practice any type of organized religion, but I am somewhat spiritual in my own way.

I'm sure it's been said here somewhere, but I really can't read through this entire thread again to find it without ranting and giving myself a headache over what some people believe to be the "truth".

I firmly believe if you're GLBT, you were BORN that way. You didn't get it from television, radio, movies, another GLBT being dropped on your head, etc. It's not like being born brunette, deciding you don't like it, and dying your hair blonde.

Like someone else say in another post, I don't think anyone would choose this lifestyle considering what kind of insane c*r*a*p they'd have to take for making that choice.

I put people who have issues with GLBT in the same general category as people who don't like animals, they scare me.

Hindoo

Well said, maysixxmom and consolation. ... Would someone please refer me to a New Testament passage regarding the evils of homosexuality? I asked earlier, but no one responded.

DonnaL

There's stuff in St. Paul, I believe (I have no desire to check the specifics!). I think there's even something that gets used to condemn lesbians -- unlike the Hebrew Bible (I hate calling it the Old Testament, which, of course, really means "old" in the sense of "superceded"), which gives lesbians a total pass. Like Queen Victoria in the possibly apocryphal story, I guess God couldn't imagine that lesbians exist, and so didn't feel a need to condemn them. (Apologies for the irreverence, but I think the whole subject of homosexuality and the Bible is irrelevant, and is basically pointless to discuss.)

Hindoo

I don't know, Donna. It becomes relevant when someone uses the Bible as a weapon to stir up hatred and intolerance.

MomofWildChild

(As quoted in "What Jesus Meant" by Garry Wills, original author unknown)



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An open letter to my Brothers & Sisters in Christ:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s law. I have learned a great deal from you, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18.22 clearly states it to be an abomination – end of debate. I do need some advice, however, regarding some other elements of God’s laws and how to follow them.

Leviticus 25.44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you explain this? Why can’t I own Canadians?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21.7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman when she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15.19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but found that most women take offense.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor to the Lord (Lev 1.9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35.2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev 11.10), it is a lesser abomination that homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?
Leviticus 21.20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though Leviticus 19.27 expressly forbids this. How should they die?
I know from Leviticus 11.6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kids of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev 24.10-16)? Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev 20.14)?
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding me the God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Your friend in Christ

lspf72

What exactly IS a Gay Agenda??

Two of my elderly mother's best friends arrive in NY tomorrow. They used to attend our church but now live in FL. If someone told me to think of a couple of "good Christians" they would be some of the first to come to mind. They have always been active church members and volunteers, helping others in need and sickness. They ADORE America and are heartfelt patriots (one is a veteran). They are the ones sending me so many of those "support the troops" and "God Bless America"-themed emails. I don't know if they have an agenda, but I do know that they've been together happily for 30+ years.

So, I guess this is just a long way of agreeing with those who say "if you don't like it, don't watch it." I'll take the so-called Gay Agenda over violence, mean-spirited humor, and/or smut any day.