cartera45

Ohh - I guess the L&O should have meant something to me but I think I am one of two people in the country who never watched "Law and Order."

zoosermom

You know what channel is very good at modeling gay families? HGTV. Their "My House is Worth What?" and "Househunters" shows often feature nice gay couples moving up or moving in.

Also "Property Virgins." Last night there was a gay couple moving from San Diego to Colorado and buying a house sight unseen from the Internet. I was fascinated by that.

wis75

I vote with the majority (is that why this got misplaced to the politics forum?). If the status quo/majority had to be followed all Christians would still be Catholics, or better yet, prechristian era European barbarians. Societies are constantly evolving, fortunately. Our future should be nonchristian with globalization and the fact that the rest of the world (think of the billions of Indians and Chinese, not to mention Africans and indigenous people from the Americas) doesn't necessarily have JudeoChristian cultural roots.

I sure would like to see a pendulum swing towards less sex and violence in entertainment, but not according to the OP's agenda. I also have noticed the HGTV selection of real people in their shows. I also have noticed many more blacks in many roles on TV- much better than living in a then lily white city watching white tv in the '60's. It will be easier to get the sex and violence out of the media if a secular approach is taken- people who apply religion to basic values lose a valuable resource in fighting against demeaning activites. And, since being gay is a part of the normal spectrum of being human, that will not be part of the agenda.

Northstarmom

For the record, I have friends who are hetero, gay, bi, trans, and queer. I don't choose my friends by their sexual orientations, but by whether they share my values, particularly my values around nonviolence.

I think that gays should have the same rights that heteros have.

I wish that the U.S. would follow France's example and make the legal aspects of marriage something that only the state determines. In France, to be legally married, one must have a nondenominational ceremony at a mayor's office. If one wants a church wedding, one must have it after the civil ceremony.

As far as I'm concerned, churches should be able to marry whomever they choose, but the government should be responsible for determining the legality of marriages, and the government should offer gay couples the same rights to have civil marriages as hetero ones have.

wis75

I just reported the thread's mislocation as a problem post. Northstarmom- someday we have to meet, I always seem to like your posts, regardless of thread.

jym626

wis75-
It looks like this thread has been moved about a few times (from the parents forum to the cafe to the politics offshoot), and FWIW, I think it belongs in with the other political threads, if it even belongs here on cc at all.......

pugmadkate

I'm sitting here with a lump in my throat, fighting back tears.

I just cannot thank you all for the kind words, for the unconditional support and for standing so strong. It's especially uplifting to hear from other parents whose children are gay.

Thank you, thank you so much. My son is 16, so I don't know how lucky he feels to have the parents he does right now but his father and I sure feel lucky to be the parents of this boy.

zoosermom

I'm the conservative republican who's a passionate (marching even!) supporter of gay marriage. I'm one of the true conservatives who views gay marriage as a family value that benefits society. Wanna get married and assume the responsibilities? Great. I'll throw the rice!

My dearest friend from high school went through the identity-coming out process and it was a great day when The King of the Universe (my son) was ring-bearer at his commitment ceremony. But how nice if it would have been a legal wedding?

I do agree, though, that churches should be able to make their own rules.

frazzled1

miltonmom, are you familiar with the concept of freedom of expression? Or is that also something you do not approve of? The television networks are under no obligation to represent "mainstream America," whatever you may think that is. "Family Hour" isn't in effect any longer. When you disapprove of something, why not make use of that handy little on/off switch?

Are you worried about your own teens watching "Grey's Anatomy"? I imagine you haven't hesitated to communicate your values to them over their lifetimes. If they accept what you've taught them, what's your problem? And if they don't, I hardly think that a lesbian storyline on "Grey's" is to blame. Please don't worry about what my teens see on television - I"m not looking for assistance in that area.

You are well within your rights, of course, to object to programming you consider "not OK." Bear in mind, though, that some mainstream Americans (I'm one) object to intolerance and narrow-mindedness, and find anti-gay bigotry "not OK."

zoosermom

I don't like graphic sex on tv, either, which is why I'm so familiar with HGTV!
Never seen Grey's Anatomy, though.

heyalb

miltonmom: Nothing like a side dish of deadly sin to go with your entree of closed mind, eh?

pugmadkate: John Lennon once said that there is so much war and hate in the world, that when you can find love of any kind, it is truly a beautiful thing. I bet your son is a wonderful young man, because you sound like a wonderful mom.

ShesOnHerWay

I can't tell you how grateful I am for all of you after reading your posts (except OP). I was the first to read OPs post this morning and was so angry with it that I thought it best to not post my views. I'm really scared here in San Diego that Prop 8 will win as I drive around seeing all the Yellow and Blue Yes on Prop 8 signs in the city and being raised on the corners by our Conservative/Right Wing population as I drive home from work. My belief in the country's majority in favor of tolerance, compassion and equal rights lives again thanks to all of your words.

zoosermom

Not all proponents of Prop 8 are conservatives or right wingers, and not all conservatives or right wingers support Prop 8. Perhaps you could be concerned by the support and leave it at that?

ShesOnHerWay

true enough

Hindoo

That's one of many reasons why I like you, zoos. Live and let live.