Hunt

What if she had cut the foreskin off of his you-know-what when he was an infant? I think I see the difference, but I'm not sure how big a difference it is.

sarfraz

Sorry bro due to bad internet connection I m a bit delay in my answer otherwise u wll b getting my answer a bit early
May b ur religion give u permission of killing of a human being bt most of the religion don’t give this sort of permission.
I m just saying this if some one want to practice religion & of course it is not harming any one y r u having such problems?
Tell me one thing how many time do u came across a lady wearing burqa or a man wearing cap and harm u? y dnt u make so much trouble when alcohol is being common in society when prostitution is being legalized when pornography is being legalized? N of course these things harm the society
Wat abt the Jews from wearing the yarmulke or the Christians from wearing the cross, though such objects are symbols of religion. Why should they prevent the Muslim women from wearing hijab? I hope ur a Christian dnt nuns wear a sort of hijab? Do u consider it also a sing of oppression?
U neither no ur religion its only in the book n come out only at funeral ceremony.
Ur status is like v dnt follows ours but don’t let the others also follow. Gr8!
Plz refer the ur religious book n I m sure u wll b shocked to read abt hijab .
Peace be on u

sarfraz

Sorry if u hurt by my words it wasn’t the intention bt b4 giving other a beautiful piece of advice at least see ur words also
I hope u never wear hijab bt u have understand all the reasons actually all the possible reasons y hijab is thr in the religion sorry in advance bt like to say that u don’t even no ur religion but u r giving the commentary of other religion & culture !
I agree with u up to some extant that unfamiliar things r look strange in other culture bt not scary.
As far as culture differences r concern different culture hv different view on different things for example wat is fun in ur culture may be considered a vulgure thing in another culture.
N y ur friendly next-door neighbor in middle east don’t communicate to u I dnt know y they dnt communicate to u !
Because in Islamic teaching the even neighbors have right on each other. N greeting is a must in Quran Allah says when some one greet u greet him more courteously or at least with the same so u keep thinking n bye frm my side. “Peace be on u”

sarfraz

the above post is specially 4 AnudduhMom

Bay

Sarfan,
Do you know the meaning of the word "sarcasm?" The point of my post was not that I follow a religion that allows me to kill people (I do not), but because contrary to your assertion, in America at least, no one has the right to follow religious tenants if they violate the country's laws.

I did not make a statement one way or another about whether the burqa causes me "problems." Currently, I am somewhat neutral on the subject. I have yet to learn anything positive about the practice however, and as a woman, I cannot imagine having to undergo the isolation and inconvenience it would create, trying to do what I do everyday here in the U.S.

In your religion, why don't men wear the burqa, too?

AnudduhMom

sarfraz, Asalaam alaikum, I see that your post above is somehow addressed to me?

I apologize, I hardly ever willingly read anything in 'textspeak', I even text using actual words, and so does everyone I text with.

Please, if you want to write to make yourself understood, use actual words in your messages. Thanks!

cptofthehouse

I think that outlawing the burqa specifically is being intolerant and needlessly foolish. There is good reason to outlaw the burqa because you cannot see who is wearing it. For security reason, I can see why they would be against the law in many situations. Is this prohibition of burqas specific to that particular outfit or any outfit that covers the face? If other garb that covers as much as the burqa is permitted, I see a real problem in this ban. Also what about any other clothing that includes any kind of a face mask? Is that going to be allowed?

When there are rules in countries about covering the hair, legs, arms, etc, it is not an attack on a specific type of dress but what the outfit covers. I have covered my arms and legs in some very hot summers out of respect for local traditions, even when it was not a requirement. If I were to visit the middle east, I would have no problem wearing the burqa other than getting used to the restrictive sight that it would entail.

As Spideygirl says, it has its advantages. If it weren't for the fact that I might get pulled over and checked out, I would be tempted to buy one to wear when I drop H and sons off at the train station in the early mornings. I'm in my nightgown and I pray that noone I know sees my face and hair which looks a fright. Not a bad idea at all.

sarfraz

Language. All posts will be in English. Be descriptive, specific, and succinct in your postings. This way your opinion and point is clearly understood and referenced. Remember, people from all over the world read here with english as a second language. Please avoid excessive abbreviation and "text messaging" shorthand. Posts that do not meet our language guidelines will be deleted.

Onward

Sarfraz, could you please use regular words instead of text words. I find it very annoying to read and tend ignore what you say. I am sure that I am not alone on this.

Bay

Actually, I did not use the word "uncomfortable," rather I described the burqa as isolating and inconvenient. I do not know whether it is uncomfortable or not, but I have worn a mask at parties, and when your friends cannot recognize you and strangers cannot see your facial expressions, your social interaction becomes very limited.

I spend a good part of my day getting in and out of a car and running for exercise in public, so having to wear a burqa while doing those things would be very inconvenient and cumbersome.

Nuns are not born as nuns, they choose to be nuns when they are adults, and therefore have assented to follow prescribed rules. I am not convinced that women who wear the burqa are always doing so out of choice as opposed to oppression or fear.

No I do not, and I said nothing of the sort. I asked why men don't wear a burqa in your religion, too? You did not answer. What I gleaned from your linked article is that wearing the burqa is presumed to prevent the molestation and rape of women. If men also wore a burqa, it would also be preventative: they would have a tougher time molesting and raping women while so attired.

sarfraz

the nuns are not born as nuns they choose it similarly no one is asking carla bruni to wear hijab but dont take the right of Muslims to practice hijab, the whole topic is that.
if don't agree with this then see others religion wat they priscribed for hijab.

AnudduhMom

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The "whole topic" is NOT that, sarfraz. The topic was about the burka.

Info and graphics on burqa, nijab, niqab:
BBC News | In graphics: Muslim veils, Potent symbol

Clearly there is a huge difference between choosing to wear a head scarf and going out of the house completely covered from head to toe. It is not "Islamic", if you are a strict Quran constructionist. These choices are interpretations which follow more or less Sharia laws, which may or may not be misogynist.

sarfraz

if you don't like a thing its your problem. no one is asking you to wear burqa or any one who don't want to but why you are having problem if other want to practice it?
i am aware that burqa is not a must its the hijab which is must in Islam which yo can fulfill with or without buraqa.
by the way sharia is derived from Quran & hadiths.
i cant understand how can you say that sharia laws are misogynist.
before using such terminology at least read what other scripture says its not like that jesus (pbuh) said something paul teaches some thing else church has their on philosophy & above all follower follow nothing.
like 1 Corinthians 11:6. what about that no one has objected that much on this???????????

AnudduhMom

Great points, sarfraz. Why would anyone object to anything anyone else does ever?

First, the head scarf, though worn by many Muslim women, is not strictly "Muslim". If, on a blustery day I put my pashmina over my head in certain parts of London people would speak to me in Arabic. In Audrey Hepburn-era movies women wore them, it looks chic. Not long ago, women couldn't go into a Catholic church without a veil, and I think that's still true in some conservative areas of the world.

But what happens when you go out in attire which identifies you as a member of any religion is -- you become a representative of that religion, like it or not. People who have no other experience of Islam than what they see on the news (or YouTube movies like Fitna) will have formed an opinion of you. That's just human nature.

Similarly, if I wore a t-shirt that says "U.S.A." in some parts of the world where they've never met an American, they might have an opinion of Americans based on movies, but they will draw conclusions based on my behavior. When I wear sweatshirts from my kids' colleges, I assume people think "I didn't know people from X College could be such doofs!" (lol) If I go out without an abaya, chador, or burqa in some countries, they think I am a "ho", so they are justified in groping me or worse. Even if I am fully covered and walking with my children! (voice of experience here)

Islam is still a very unfamiliar religion to a lot of people, so some might see a woman in a headscarf and think "She is oppressed, I need to feel sorry for her." When you know, sarfraz, that the moment a woman chooses to wear hijab is a joyful sign of her adult faith. I have the good fortune of knowing many women who wear hijab and they are delightful and happy. But the impression persists.

I don't think you can change people's minds through force, only through education. Incidents where people have fatwa issued against them for making fun of the Prophet are NOT helpful to the cause of Islam. Profaning the Prophet (sorry, pbuh) is stupid but not criminal in our Western interpretation of things.

Even when you say "If you don't like a thing its your problem" it is needlessly hostile. Actually, it's YOUR problem, sarfraz, but I don't think you should see it in terms of a "problem", but an opportunity. It is the way to open the door to education of the Muslim faith, of enlightenment, and maybe acceptance. Your approach is like throwing a burqa over the whole issue.

sarfraz

a really long essay (lol)
i agree that people tend to derived conclusion even if they don't know the thing as they should before giving the comments.
i don't know about the movie which you said about neither i am responsible for all the things which you mentioned. its fine that Islam is unfamiliar to many but i always believe in philosophy that you can speak good about someone without knowing much about it but you should not speak anything wrong without know the proper context of that thing.
and many people may say that why as a religion Islam is always in some sort of issues
its simply because when you practice something then only you find problem and issues other wise no issues as long as you keep it in books.
many a time i find that people are objected on something very strictly but they forget to realize what their religion teaches about the same thing.