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09-08-2009, 02:04 PM
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#46 | | Senior Member
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Let him quit. He already has a very busy schedule, so that's not a concern. More than that, I have found that everytime my son dropped something, he found something he liked better to fill that space.
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09-08-2009, 02:17 PM
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#47 | | Senior Member
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I think with our S, who's a HS senior this year, it was all about balance. Balance among the ECs and schoolwork, and provision for some amount of "down time." It was this last where some debate ensued on occasion, since we as parents never quite understood the time he spent on the online game "Warcraft."
Just two days ago, my S said, "Sam (his friend, a junior) and I were just talking about how silly it was that we wasted so much time playing "Warcraft." This time wasting occuring primarily in MS and the first year in HS. But OMG, they already know they could have been doing something better. But all is not lost.
Now, these two tight friends are on the varsity water polo and swim teams, taking oodles of AP classes or dual enrollment/online college level classes, helping out as peer tutors. S is also doing Mock Trial (since MS days) and his friend is with the Y's Youth in Government. S has taken private piano lessons since first grade, and has in the last two years done some modest composing and garage band activities with other friends.
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09-08-2009, 02:28 PM
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#48 | | Junior Member
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Around 8th grade my DS sat DH and I down and said that he decided that he was was doing too much and was going to drop down to three main ECs... one could be my choice, one his dad's choice, and one his. He's now in college and still thinks that it was a great approach and is glad that he stuck with the choices that his dad and I made. (I chose band, btw.)
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09-08-2009, 03:12 PM
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#49 | | Junior Member
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Your know your child better than anyone. Our S showed no interest in sports (he was in baseball and basketball until jr. high and then quit.) My H and I were so frustrated thinking he would get "lost" in HS if he didn't become involved in a school activity. He had always been a "closet musician" - naturally talented so we "chose" band for him. He had one year to try it out and then he could move on to something else and he stuck with it. He's a senior now and planning to minor in music. I can't take credit for his success in music, but for S, who's always been a little shy about his own talent, a nudge was needed.
His English teacher saw me on campus in his soph. year and said he had been trying to get S to join the newspaper staff. When I mentioned it to S, he said, "Yeah, he's been asking me...so I'm going to try it out." He's now an editor.
I've always believed that "you'll never know until you try!"
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09-08-2009, 03:56 PM
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#50 | | Member
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Please, if your son/daughter is in an activity in high school that they hate, let them quit. I was forced to do marching band/concert band through my junior year and I regret every moment of it. I didn't gain anything out of it. All it did was stress me out because the activities that I DID want to do (swimming, FCA, SGA, NHS, AP classes, track, etc.) were compromised and suffered as a result. It was frustrating for me, my swim coach, my band director, and even my parents. I had to run from one place to the other all the time, and until I got a car, my parents had to taxi me from one place to the other.
The problem was that I was really good at marching band. I was first chair all three years, first chair in the county my sophomore year, had a solo at state festival, etc. but I had absolutely no passion for it. My family was big into band, and I suggested quitting my sophomore year, but my aunts almost passed out because of what I said. I was the first child to go through high school in my family for over 20 years, they wanted to see me be a drum major, etc.
I still tell my parents that I'm mad at them for making me do that. They still haven't apologized for that (or any of their other major mistakes). Once they let me quit senior year, my life was MUCH improved. Even they noticed how much happier I was. I swim at college now, my true passion. Anytime marching band is brought up, I still cringe.
The worst part was actually quitting though. My parents, band director, everyone begged me to try to find a way to balance it with everything else I wanted to do, but I couldn't, especially since I was going to be NHS president and captain of the swim team. I had dreams ALL SUMMER about band, and it was the worst thing ever. I would dream that I was still there, playing my instrument, only to realize that I could get out. I woke up in sweats a couple times.
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09-08-2009, 04:07 PM
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#51 | | Senior Member
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Both my boys started band in 5th grade and were ready to quit by eighth grade. We let them. Both were much happier (and so was I) when I didn't harp on them anymore about practicing their instrument. Let him quit.
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09-08-2009, 04:13 PM
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#52 | | Junior Member
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"I am sure his/her parents just loved sitting outside of those classrooms for hours at a time to create a nightmarish childhood for him/her."
Yes I think it's mostly my fault because I never dared to tell him how I felt. And now I turned into a complete garbage who is not good at anything(Look at my posts, can you tell I had 3 years of writing classes?).
But my point is if your son doesn't want to do something, don't make him do it. |
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09-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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#53 | | Senior Member
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Both of my older kids went through a stage with their intrument where they wanted to quit. This happened after the novelty had worn off, but before they were skilled enough to play what they really wanted to be able to play. But I went to the music store and got them a book with easy music that was way cooler than what they had for school lessons, and that was a helpful motivator. I insisted that they stick it out past that slump. They ended up becoming proficient and found it enjoyable. They especially liked the jazz band experience. Both were very involved in athletics and other EC's, though, so they both quit band after playing 2 years in high school. I thought that was reasonable.
Your son's case is different because he already plays an instrument. Also, I agree that he seems busy enough. Did he experience a slump period with his guitar too? If so, you might remind him of that and suggest he stick this out a little longer. But if he still wants to quit, then let him.
The case with
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09-08-2009, 04:53 PM
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#54 | | Senior Member
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My kids all did summer swim team for years & years, one DD was quite talented and I took her to the year round higher league team not one fall, but two or three. Recently, in her mid 20s, she told me she never really had the confidence that she was that good, but in retrospect wondered what she could have done if she'd stuck with it  How many days I drove 30 minutes plus each way and sat through a 2 hour practice, even in the snow in an outdoor pool and she just never wanted to do it, yet now she wishes she had. Wow, it was so arduous in terms of time and physical effort, meets 1-2-3 hours away lasting all weekend, how could I 'make' her if she had given it a fair shot and said. 'no thanks' ?
Another kid was on a high level sport team and we had until the 10th of the month to pay dues, nearly every month for about a year she would whine from the 11th-25th that she did not want to go! She stuck with it for 5-6 years, but did have a year or so where her interest really waxed and waned, but she is glad she stuck it out.
I have kids who wish I'd made them stay in dance or piano and kids who are grateful I let them quit other sports. For all sport commitments it was a finish the season commitment, then nothing further required.
We had one DD who spent a long time working towards her varsity sport, travel team, club team, etc, but in the first week of senior year when the coach crossed the line (her line) with one too many mind games, she quit. It was a difficult decision to support because, my gosh, it was her senior year, varsity season, the coach had worked with her for 2-3 years year round, but on the other hand, he did play mind games and there had been way too many tears shed. In hindsight it was the right choice because it was not a random, "I don't want to do this any more" but rather it was," " I will not be treated this way even one more day"
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09-08-2009, 04:56 PM
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#55 | | Member
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I'm currently a high school student, but I saw this thread on the front page, and thought that I should respond.
I played piano for six years before I quit. I believe I was around twelve years old when I quit. As a twelve-year old, my perspective was much different than it is now. I did not want to practice piano for ~1-2 hours every day.
It's a choice I definitely regret as a sixteen - year old. Sometimes I still try to play, but I'm obviously rusty and don't have the time to learn again. My parents encouraged me not to quit, but I quit anyway at the time.
This is an anecdote. I'm not trying to encourage parents to force decisions upon their kids (I strongly believe that giving kids a good measure of free will is important).
Quitting piano opened up other pathways for me. I started to read more, and I'm currently interested in a career as a writer. I also focused on sports, and I made XC varsity as a sophomore (XC has been a huge, huge part of my life. The team is like my family, and the support + stress relief it offers is great).
However, I still wish sometimes that I had not dropped piano. This is not a regret purely in shades of black. I believe that things would have been different if I had continued piano. I might not have developed my interest in reading, or running.
I think parents should offer strong advice for their children. Remind them of how quitting / starting will affect them in the future. Also remind them that their current perspective is perhaps immature. However, I do NOT BELIEVE that parents should force decisions upon their children.
If my parents had forced me to continue playing piano at that time, I would have strongly disliked it. My dislike would have been reflected in my effort level, and my piano playing would probably have gone nowhere. My time was better spent pursuing activities that I wanted to pursue (reading, running). If you force your child to pursue something despite their dislike for it, do not expect them to get anywhere far. Personal motivation is key for success in any field.
Thanks for reading my post. I hope it helped.
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09-08-2009, 05:22 PM
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#56 | | Senior Member
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When my kids chose their ECs - I encouraged them to do just one at a time- and to stick with it for a year.
However- in the case of the D who loved sports- she was on more than one sport a year- sometimes on more than one team at a time.
I also allowed one D to quit an EC, when it was clear that the new instructor ( for an ongoing EC), just wasn't worth the stress.
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09-08-2009, 05:50 PM
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#57 | | New Member
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I think it is reasonable to require a kid to try an activity and stick it out for the season (in the case of a sport) or for a year (in the case of an activity like band). However, if kids have to make a 2 year commitment anytime they want to try something (in the case of the OP's son) you may find that your child won't want to try new things lest they get 'stuck' in a long-term commitment. New and varied experiences are great at this age.
That being said, my son's 5th grade band teacher was a bear: impatient, loud and sometimes unreasonable. Through all the tears we made him stick it out for the year, and he got used to his band teacher and played all through middle school.
He did not want to continue on in high school and we let him make his own decision.
Last minute he decided to join band; 4 years later he's the Drumline Captain and has won many awards. Interestingly, his high school band director is quite similar: impatient, loud and sometimes unreasonable. Great life experience to learn how to deal with all kinds of teachers/superiors.
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09-08-2009, 06:10 PM
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#58 | | Member
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I remember when my older daughter was in 7th grade she wanted to stop her instrument of 6 years. It was hard to do because she was very good. After a few months I realized it was the right thing to do - she need to be on a sport. This kid needs to get outside everyday, even now. Later in high school she picked it up again (summers only) and has taken lessons in college.
At the time I spoke with an instructor and also a dance teacher who both said the middle school years are ones where a lot of kids switch activities. I wonder if they are trying to figure out what activities they do because they like them, versus do them because it is something that they had started as a kid and never really thought about.
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09-08-2009, 07:15 PM
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#59 | | Junior Member
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We are debating how to support our kids in choosing among many EC's. That is a useful discussion.
However, as several people have mentioned, the important thing is that a kid HAVE activities to stay busy with, which doesn't sound like a problem with the OP's kid, or anyone else on this board.
That was the biggest obvious difference I could see with kids who consistently got in trouble in school: they didn't have anything to do after school but get in trouble.
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09-09-2009, 12:20 AM
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#60 | | Junior Member
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Don't push - you never know what doors they may open given the time and opportunity...
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