member

Many children have no vaccines and live fine healthy lives. Ive never had the flu, possibly only the common cold. If I ever had kids, they would never get vaccinations. Simply never.

emeraldkity4

so do those of you who don't think allopathic medical care is natural- what sort of water do you drink/bathe in /wash your clothes?
Pharmaceuticals In Our Water Supplies
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/sc...h/03water.html
EPA > Water > Safewater > Private Drinking Water Wells > Human Health

samiamy

You are aware the nasal vaccine recipients will SHED the virus and potentially infect others, correct? Believe one can shed viral proteins as long as 21-28 days post intranasal administration.

We had a SEVERE flu outbreak in a preschoool 3 years ago due to a teachers assistant shedding the virus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18662737?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.P ubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles& logdbfrom=pubmed
Among subjects aged 5-8 years, 9-17 years, and 18-49 years, 44%, 27%, and 17% of subjects, respectively, shed vaccine virus after vaccination, and the mean number of positive samples per subject was 2.2, 1.8, and 1.5, respectively. Shedding occurred on days 1-11 postvaccination. Shedding incidence peaked on day 2, and maximum observed titers were highest on days 2-3 (<5, <4, and <3 log(10)TCID(50)/mL, respectively, by age group

samiamy

Interesting
TORONTO -- An unpublished Canadian study that suggests getting an annual flu shot may make it easier to contract swine flu has caused most provincial governments in Canada to postpone or limit seasonal-flu vaccination programs.

The study remains a mystery in many ways. It is being reviewed for potential publication in a scientific journal, but the authors won't say which one.


Flu Shots Delayed in Canada - WSJ.com

member

We filter our own water, something the vast majority of municipal water supplies don't do. I am fully aware of all the endocrine disruptor's and medications in municipal water supplies. greatfully the nyc water supply, while it does litterly no filtering is very limited in its toxins. The catskills provide great water.












You all can claim that I am crazy and need a foil hat, But no real studies have been done on the vaccines and their sub products. Just because the mainline medical community scoffs some minor findings, doesn't mean those findings are false. The main push for the Holocaust was scientific based eugenics. Eugenics was pushed as scientific fact, and millions of women and jews were killed based on the so called science. I highly suggest you all read The Impact of Science on Society by Bertrand Russell.

molliebatmit

Patently false.

JustAMomOf4

samiamy - shedding the virus after a live vaccine doesn't mean that others will necessarily come down with the disease. While it's true that those who have a compromised immune system - HIV infected, on chemotherapy etc - could become infected, those with normal and healthy immune systems will not suffer.

Unless your preschool was full of sick children, I think the outbreak was just a coincidence.
The function of shedding the virus from a live vaccine actually assists in devloping herd immunity.

Recommendations for H1N1 nasal vaccine:

mantori.suzuki

My hat is made of felt rather than tinfoil, and I disagree with our anti-vaccination friend. However, for those who haven't read it, Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future is really good reading, if you ever have a little time on your hands. The man is very intelligent and an excellent writer. Almost makes you forget the whole murder thing.

I got the flu shot last week and feel fine other than a very slightly sore shoulder. My kids got the nasal vaccine on Friday and felt fine over the weekend.

emeraldkity4

you can filter heavy metals out of the water- but if you have found a way to filter the drugs & chemicals, including hormones out of water you should get a prize.

member

Your kidding right.


Id love to see one study that shows Thiomersal at the dosages that it is administered is considered safe. The FDA has certain guidelines and vaccines override those for kids. So please show me a study proving Thiomersal safe.

momonthehill

Two days before our high school was to administer the seasonal flu vaccine, they announced that the in-school vaccinations was canceled because the county health board determined that there were insufficient supplies of the vaccine available. There is no indication when, or even if, the school will reschedule the innoculations. And there's absolutely no idea when, or if, the H1N1 will be available in our school district, yet a neighboring school district in our county has already announced that their supply of H1N1 vaccine is arriving and will be administered during the last week of this month.

I'm going to bring my daughter to a CVS to get the seasonal vaccine. I just wish I knew where I could bring my kids for the H1N1 vaccine. Frustrating.

JustAMomOf4

^
Flu.gov might help. The H1N1 is just being rolled out and not available widely yet. Targeted populations are being offered the vaccine first, theoretically.

I had not heard of any shortages of seasonal flu vaccine. Perhaps demand is outpacing the normal supply this year.

momonthehill

^Thanks, JAM4. I've bookmarked the site link for PA. Up to now I've been taking this in stride, but I just found out this morning that a couple of parochial schools in our area have shut down due to H1N1, so I'm getting a bit anxious.

bluebayou

^^heard on the radio this am that CDC admits that spot-shortages exist for seasonal vaccines -- depends on where you live.

BalletMom

Great Lakes Mom, yours is a very well reasoned argument; however, just because people are not in favor of getting the flu vaccine does not mean they are all "anti-vaccine" in all situations. Obviously, a virus with a high morbidity and mortality associated with it (polio, for example) should entail a massive vaccination effort. I disagree with every healthy person receiving a vaccine for what seems to be a mild illness, instead of saving the vaccine for populations that really need it. If I am exposed to the flu, won't I make antibodies to every antigen in that flu, instead of only the ones the vaccine makers have decided to include? Wouldn't this protect me MORE in the long run, 15 years down the road, whenh those minor antigens have reassorted into a new strain? I am still puzzled by the fact that flu vaccine must be given every year, when they have found that people exposed to those flu viruses 30 years ago still seem to have some immunity against it?!