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"Want cheaper tuition? Find religion" (CNN Money)

LenitusLenitus Posts: 4,677Administrator Senior Member
edited December 2011 in Parents Forum
This article is in the same vein as another tuition slashing article recently featured here on CC. Read more below!

Christian colleges offer steep tuition discounts - Nov. 28, 2011
"...many private religiously-affiliated colleges and universities are slashing tuition and offering incentives to attract new students -- and to stay afloat."
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Replies to: "Want cheaper tuition? Find religion" (CNN Money)

  • wis75wis75 Posts: 8,930Registered User Senior Member
    The price one pays is in the quality of the education at most religious colleges and the forced religion. Much more pleasant and profitable to take out loans that can be repayed with the better education and to not sacrifice 4 years of your life. You can always repay the loans but never replace the college experience. This only works for those who want the religious nature of a particular school. The schools decreasing tuition are not the schools most would choose for academics.
  • nugraddadnugraddad Posts: 710Registered User Member
    You get what you pay for.

    There is no free lunch.

    There's a sucker born every minute.
  • BrownAlumParentBrownAlumParent Posts: 650Registered User Member
    Also, not true for all "religious" schools, Regent (used to be CBN; Pat Robertson's baby) University is in the list of top 10 most expensive schools.
  • chaosakitachaosakita Posts: 1,439Registered User Senior Member
    While these schools don't really have the best academics, a degree is a degree. If that's the environment a kid is looking for and wants less loans, then people shouldn't look down on his choice. Most students are non-traditional these days anyways and aren't going to school to party.

    Also, you definitely don't get what you pay for oftentimes when it comes to schools. We can squabble about details all we want, but at the end of the day, is a Sarah Lawrence degree worth the same as a Harvard one just because the schools cost the same? Let's face it, it's a commonly-known fact that schools are increasing tuition in order to look more prestigious rather than to provide any significant increase in learning quality.
  • ellemenopeellemenope Posts: 11,380Registered User Senior Member
    For LDS kids, BYU is a great bargain! Not that bad of an academic reputation, $4500 a year tuition.
  • horsfeathershorsfeathers Posts: 89Registered User Junior Member
    ^ and for some majors - for example, Accounting - BYU is ranked above such schools as USC, Michigan, University of Pennsylvania, Notre Dame, and NYU – schools with tuition costs about ten times as high.

    One of the schools mentioned in the article, Duquesne in Pittsburgh, is the largest Catholic university in Pennsylvania and is ranked #119 in USN&WR national universities (right around Stony Brook and a couple of other SUNYs, Loyola University of Chicago, University of Arizona, and Temple University). These schools may not be prestigious (at least to people on CC), but I’m sure a good education can be had at any of them.

    Another school mentioned (that I’m sure few people on CC have heard of) is Cabrini College. My current manager went there as a non-traditional adult student in the evenings. She’s excellent at her job and has a great work ethic (and out-earns her husband, who graduated from a more well-known school but has had limited professional success).

    The name of the college you attend may be important for getting that first job, but after that, the only reputation that follows you is your own.
  • mamabear1234mamabear1234 Posts: 3,023Registered User Senior Member
    SW PA has a glut of teachers, so Duquesne slashing tuition for education majors may not be of much use. Many kids from this area are reluctant to leave to find jobs. Grove City College has always been considered a bargain for the religiously minded.
  • glidoglido Posts: 5,076Registered User Senior Member
    Those that are generally regarded as the greatest universities and colleges in the world, started out as religious colleges. So, you never know, that degree that is getting so little respect on CC today, may be worth more inthe future.
  • emeraldkity4emeraldkity4 Posts: 33,208Registered User Senior Member
    For LDS kids, BYU is a great bargain! Not that bad of an academic reputation, $4500 a year tuition.

    I agree, but even my sister with her 5 kids didn't encourage their kids to attend. They went secular/private.
  • HannaHanna Posts: 11,417Registered User Senior Member
    Wow, talk about mashing categories together! Affiliated or not, places like Duquesne and Seton Hall have more in common with the Ivy League than they do with bible colleges and rabbinical yeshivas. No student with half a clue is deciding to go to seminary instead of a general university because of price. Seton Hall and Duquesne are changing their pricing to reflect competition with local public universities, which are their real peers. You don't need to "get religion" in any way to go to those schools.
  • annasdadannasdad Posts: 4,825Registered User Senior Member
    Wow, talk about mashing categories together!

    Exactly. And the figure cited for the total number of religiously affiliated institutions includes many LACs that still have formal ties to the Protestant denominations that founded them but that now, except for perhaps a chapel somewhere on campus, are essentially secular institutions.
  • wis75wis75 Posts: 8,930Registered User Senior Member
    But you have to exist in a religious environment. For some that's fine, no way for others. Even if it is just a subtle crucifix on classroom walls and no requirements.
  • fogfogfogfog Posts: 4,056Registered User Senior Member
    Do people consider Notre Dame and BC sub par? I think not.

    Remember "religion", whether it be humanism, polytheism etc is about a belief system...and you will find a "belief system" at all of the Us. So before bashing a U because of it's connection to a church....and that it is sub par to your U and your beliefs....consider your own belief system please.


    Many many of the Us people hold in high esteem STARTED as religously linked Us...including Harvard and Yale.
    So check the history of your favorite U and you might be surprised.
  • annasdadannasdad Posts: 4,825Registered User Senior Member
    But you have to exist in a religious environment. For some that's fine, no way for others. Even if it is just a subtle crucifix on classroom walls and no requirements.

    But there are many LACs with mainline Protestant roots where there are no crucifixes or crosses anywhere except in the chapel. The Lutheran college my Dad taught at, for example; when he started teaching there in the 1940s, there was mandatory daily chapel and a religious restriction on faculty hiring. By the 60s, the chapel requirement was gone, and by the 70s, they were hiring atheists, Hindus, Muslims, and even Catholics. I just went to their website; the only place I could find where they mention their religious affiliation (which still technically exists) is on the history-of-the-college page.

    That doesn't apply to all the LACs formed by the mainline Protestant denominations; there are some where the link is still evident, and if that bothers a student, hey, there are lots of choices out there. But it's wrong, IMO, for an article to mix together all "religiously affiliated schools" and imply there are more similarities than differences between mainline Protestant-affiliated LACs, Catholic universities, and Bible-oriented colleges where they don't teach evolution.
  • HannaHanna Posts: 11,417Registered User Senior Member
    "For some that's fine, no way for others."

    My point is that Duquesne and a yeshiva have no similarities of genuine interest to the reading public. All the "religious" schools have in common is that a particular sub-population would reject them all. That's not a basis for generalizations like those in the article.

    There are some students who reject all schools with football teams. That's fine. It's still ignorant for an article to lump together the University of Chicago and the University of Southern Mississippi as "football schools."
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