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10-15-2012, 01:55 PM
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#166 | | Senior Member
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This is purely anecdotal, but I've heard friends/associates say that they STOPPED donating to their alma mater when their kid didn't get in.
I somehow got targeted by my grad school's development department. They somehow thought I was going to increase my donations by adding several zeros to the figure. Um. No.
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10-15-2012, 02:00 PM
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#167 | | Member
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DH jokes that DS's application to our alma mater is a win-win. Either he'll get in or we'll save ourselves the annual donation and go on vacation instead!
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10-15-2012, 02:10 PM
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#168 | | Senior Member
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Sue-
Wow- you must be quite generous with that donation if it will cover a nice vacation!
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10-15-2012, 03:30 PM
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#169 | | Senior Member
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Donations by its very definition should mean voluntary - otherwise why not make it a fee, and be up front about it?
| Even if it was couched as a fee, if it was presented in the form of assumed entitlement like "assumed opt-in" where the onus is on the student to go through the bureaucratic paperwork to opt-out, I wouldn't pay that either on principle. That's not only crass...but completely unwarranted until the individual opts-in.
This very BS was the reason why I lost respect for Ralph Nader and the PIRG organizations he founded back while I was an undergrad before the 2000 election. Yeah, tack on the PIRG donation as a "fee" on tuition bills that assumes student/family consent unless they opt-out. No thanks. Nader didn't do himself any favors with me when he came on several campuses...including mine to justify this despicable practice.
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10-15-2012, 05:58 PM
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#170 | | New Member
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yes. that's him, Gerald King Sing Chow. He was also tutored by IvyAdmit while he was a student at the KSG in 2007-2008 for his one year degree. Did you look at the invoices he paid to Ivy for the special "tutoring"? It literally says "writing papers, going to class". what a poor example. Look at the entire link, HIS lawyers accidentally released this, not Zimny's: http://www.boston.com/multimedia/201...y/invoices.pdf | |
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10-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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Not only the sons, check the link for the Father's use of Ivy's tutors for "special tutoring" at the Kennedy School. Harvard should investigate this, when they find time from their big undergraduate cheating scandal. link: http://www.boston.com/multimedia/201...y/invoices.pdf | |
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10-15-2012, 06:14 PM
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#172 | | Member
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I'm particularly amused by the bills for Jane Cassie's time including,
"Sat 29: Read and review ethics class notes and class reading, prepare 5 page summary, question review and prompt answer....
10/2: prepare ethics case
10/3: Prepare written case explanations for finance, and ethics summaries"
Boy, bet he aced that ethics class!
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10-15-2012, 06:22 PM
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#173 | | Member
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It's pretty clear Gerald Chow didn't write a single one of his own papers at the KSG. If I were Harvard I'd be yanking his degree right about now.
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10-15-2012, 06:24 PM
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my ex-boyfriend was at the KSG at that time and there were stories of the tutor woman literally following him to class, when he went to class. he was hardly there it seemed and many students were hip to the "tutoring". of course the example this sets for the kids is..priceless. give Cassie the degree. she earned it.
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10-15-2012, 06:28 PM
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The invoice includes quite a lot of time for "auditing" classes.
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10-15-2012, 06:35 PM
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#176 | | Senior Member
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I am speechless !! I can't imagine the existence of this kind of service !
huntsm, did you set up an account just to release these invoices?
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10-15-2012, 06:40 PM
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cbreeze, no, i have been following the story online and saw the link that the boston globe put out with these and Chow's lawyer's affidavit attached. It's obvious that the lawyer screwed up in releasing documents marked "confidential" to the media. i saw these threads and felt the conversation was interesting, that's all. no one talked about these issues yet, which are making the stories now in Hong Kong where this guy is an alleged "adviser" to the Hong Kong government. Check Alex Lo's column in the South China Morning post a few days ago. He says Borat should play Chow in a movie version.
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10-15-2012, 08:37 PM
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The thing that most amuses me is -- these people are so very desperate to climb into some elite category by having the Harvard name on their resumes. They haven't a CLUE that their desperation makes them non-elite.
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10-16-2012, 10:50 AM
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#179 | | Senior Member
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"I've heard friends/associates say that they STOPPED donating to their alma mater when their kid didn't get in."
Non-anecdotally, this is a very common pattern. Some families start giving again 10-20 years later; most stop permanently.
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10-16-2012, 12:23 PM
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#180 | | Member
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^
I would bet this is one reason most schools don't consider legacy beyond parents and grandparents. Loyal alumni rarely stop giving because their niece or nephew didn't get into their or their kids' school, while anger over a failure to admit is more common among the parents or grandparents of applicants.
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