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11-12-2012, 08:59 AM
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#76 | | Member
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It won't be allowed in public.
Last night I was kept up for like 45 minutes from 2:30 to 3:15AM by some of my roommates who went out drinking and then came back and were loud as hell with their friends. On a freakin' Sunday night. And people say cannabis is the bad substance... I tell ya what, if they had been smoking they would have just gone to bed peacefully and I wouldn't be about to take an exam on a few hours of sleep.
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11-12-2012, 09:14 AM
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#78 | | Member
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You are absolutely correct GolfFather. My memory must be fading after all these years!
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11-12-2012, 09:20 AM
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Washington just also legalized gay marriage at the same time as marijuana.
Leviticus 20:13 says something about if a man lies with another man, then they both must be stoned.
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11-12-2012, 09:23 AM
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If all the studies that conclude that mj is no worse than alcohol in terms of health problem are true then maybe that is not that bad.
| But all the studies do not conclude that... here is an interesting look at the studies and the possible link to schizophrenia that was published in Time magazine a couple of years ago. http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...005559,00.html
I had a brother (who happened to attend U of Michigan and then live in Boulder, CO, both mentioned above in this thread) who smoked a lot of pot, and ended up with some kind of adult onset paranoia. Probably schizophrenia, but we were unable to get him to see a doctor for diagnosis. He ended up committing suicide. My kids (and his) have been warned to avoid marijuana because we could very well have the gene that increases the risk of schizophrenia with use of pot. They get it... Here's hoping that everyone on this thread who thinks it is "harmless" does not carry that gene in their family.
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11-12-2012, 09:32 AM
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11-12-2012, 11:57 AM
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#82 | | Senior Member
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Wait... so the conclusion that pot causes schizophrenia is based on the fact that many schizophrenic people smoke it? That doesn't make any sense.
As marijuana rates have fluctuated (even increased), schizophrenia rates have stayed the same.
They might be related, but I don't see ANY evidence that pot somehow caused the schizophrenia. In fact, the article you linked seems to deny that link as well. It seems far more likely that schizophrenia causes people to use marijuana than the other way around.
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11-12-2012, 12:05 PM
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intparent, read the statement that you quoted again. It does not say that all the studies conclude that it is harmless! There are all kinds of studies and I would think everyone of them is biased in certain way. All I know is the detrimental effect and cost of prohibition is clear and there for you to see every day right now. You can either accept status quo or some might be persuaded to think that it is a lot less harmful to the society as a whole the other way around. There are different winners and losers based on which way the society elect to go.
And of course, I am very sorry for your loss.
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11-12-2012, 12:24 PM
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I too am very sorry for your loss int. My uncle took his own life after a long strong with mental illness and alcohol/drug addiction. We firmly believe though that he used those to self-medicate rather than them being the triggers for his mental illness. Most doctors that we know agree with us (though, of course, they didn't get to evaluate him).
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11-12-2012, 03:53 PM
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I thought it was another poster who had a friend with children who died in an automobile accident.
No matter. The point is - outlawing grass because a person was high while driving makes as much sense as outlawing newspapers because people drive while reading.
I see it every morning ... people reading the newspaper, putting on makeup, etc. while driving.
Just as dangerous, probably more so.
There are already laws on the books for reckless driving, no matter what the "cause."
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11-12-2012, 03:57 PM
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The new laws, if nothing else, will have substantial positive effects on low-income students. Currently, any student with a drug conviction is ineligible for federal student aid (Pell grants, etc.) With fewer drug convictions - both younger and older - many more students will be able to afford college.
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11-12-2012, 04:09 PM
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Of the 20 150 fatally injured drivers studied, 57.3% tested positive for AOD, including 19.9% being positive for two or more substances. Alcohol was the most commonly detected substance, present in 40.2% of the fatally injured drivers, followed by cannabinols (10.5%), stimulants (9.0%), narcotics (5.7%) and depressants (4.0%).
| Prevalence of alcohol and other drugs in fatally i... [Addiction. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI Quote: |
NSC updated its annual attributable risk estimate in 2011 using new data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The updated assessment estimates that at least 23 percent of all traffic crashes - or at least 1.3 million crashes - involve cell phone use per year. An estimated 1.2 million crashes each year involve drivers using cell phones for conversations and at least 100,000 additional crashes can be related to drivers who are texting. Cell phone conversations are involved in 12 times as many crashes as texting.
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11-12-2012, 04:35 PM
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#88 | | Senior Member
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That is a good point mini, I had forgotten about that.
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11-13-2012, 07:07 PM
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"Don't Break Out The Cheetos' Yet" - Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper
Remember that the federal government could still choose to strike down the law if they chose to, so it technically isn't official yet
In my opinion, however, it isn't really a big deal unless you want it to be
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11-15-2012, 05:09 PM
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#90 | | Senior Member
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Another thing that people will want to smoke! I know a number of people who get no pleasure out of smoking tobacco, but love the effects of pot but keep usage way down, if at all, because it is illegal. They can't afford to get into trouble with the law and don't want to have to involve them selves with dealers which can be a dicey thing, so they just don't do it. But with pot legalized, that can be a whole other thing.
I am not pleased with the direction this is going either. A combination of the problems that alcohol and cigarettes pose is what pot brings to the table.
I wonder how the Air Force Academy is going to handle this. Any trace of TCH (is that right?) in the urine when you are in the armed forces can mean out the door and even into the clink. As for pilots and other heavy machinery operators...um.. Unlike alcohol pot use can be the system for a long time.
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