quote: But it does have four very fine universities--Binghamton, Buffalo, Albany and Stonybrook. I believe all 4 are USNWR top 100.
Binghamton is the only one of those schools that's in the top 100 (#90). Unless you count Geneseo but that's 8th in the region. As a New York resident, I could say that Penn State U-Park is far more superior academically then the SUNY schools. Even Binghamton the most elite SUNY is behind it. I know a lot of academically bright students from my h.s in the year before me picked Penn State over Binghamton (such as myself), and other top SUNY schools. So I don't think that Penn State has a weak footing in NY. When I say I go to Penn State over here, people don't even mention the scandal instead they say, wow or that's excellent, etc. So what I experienced Penn State has a very positive image in NY.
LOL! New Orleans native here. Never even considered Tulane for myself or my kids. But I was on the faculty of Tulane's Med School (School of Public Health) for several years.
DS#1 had many excellent schools to choose from (Purdue, Illinois, VA Tech, GA Tech) but he choose Penn State because of the quality of the program he was pursuing and the small-town campus environment. Getting into the Honors College was just icing on the cake. He will be a junior next year (3+ years to go for the joint BS/MS) and loves the school and being part of the Penn State Blue Band - altho he is rather lukewarm on football. For him, football games are just a venue for him to play and perform for a crowd.
He traveled a great deal in the late fall and spring (numerous airports to get to Indiana and Texas) and almost always wore his PSU Blue Band sweatshirt. He never had anything but positive and supportive comments from people. Even now, traveling with a major drum & bugle corps, he wears his Penn State cap and has yet to hear a negative comment.
Evidently, MOST people are able to distinguish between this horrible tragedy and the students and academic programs of the university.
This subject has nothing to do with Tulane so I'm not sure what your point is. Your statement is very true, however. A very low percentage of students in the Penn State system would have gained admission to Tulane. I'd guess maybe 10%. That isn't a very relevant. My point was that Penn State should not be compare to Notre Dame.
The fact that the majority of you don't recognize the problem shows that you are still under the spell of Penn State football.
My point was that Penn State should not be compare to Notre Dame.
And your objection seems to be on academic grounds (hence my Tulane comment), whereas I was talking about big football schools, of which Notre Dame is certainly one. The fact that you think that there is a "spell of Penn State football" tells me that you have no idea what you are talking about. These were men committing crimes to protect their own positions and reputations, not for or on behalf of any sport, school, or community - they were willing to condemn all of the above for their own benefit, and thinking that we would support them in this is lunacy.
Penn state is is decent school, but Elite is not a word that should be used. Elite in my opinion should be the top schools. I would not consider Top 50 Elite, more like top 10. Not trying to hate on your school though, I just think that elite is kinda much.
And don't group Notre Dame with PSU or OSU. Notre Dame is an elite academic university with 6500 undergrads. Football is a cash cow there but the university apparently has control of athletics. Attend a game in South Bend and you will see the difference.
PSU's mission is not to be an elite, selective, expensive, top ranked university (UPENN does that). PSU is a large flagship and their mission is to provide a quality, low cost education to the masses. This is what state flagships should be doing for it's IS students and is no easy task. The USNWR ranking should not be a top concern to large flagship schools.
Quote: PSU is a large flagship and their mission is to provide a quality, low cost education to the masses.
You're making it out to be like they accept anyone though. If you look at the average SAT/GPA of the accepted students, they're competitive numbers. Not like UPENN of course but still. Plus if you look at the U.S news ranking it's classified as more selective.