moosebuns

Is there a web site that has statistics on what undergrad colleges Med students are coming from? I know I saw one a while ago when investigating U of Arizona med school, but can't figure out how I got there. I am interested in California schools mainly. Thanks

limabeans

I suspect you can find that information, but on med schools sites. Look for where their students came from.

mom2collegekids

If you're interested in Calif schools, then it's best to be from Calif. Are you a Calif resident? If not, then I'd look elsewhere.

Even for Calif residents the competition is ROUGH for pre-med undergrads. Many/most/all of the UCs have about a 50% acceptance rate to SOMs...which is kind of low compared to undergrads elsewhere.

spackler

Seems like there should be a list somewhere of which undergraduate schools are placing the most in the top med schools. Some others may have an opinion? Sounds like great marketing for the undregrad.

bluebayou

Just the opposite. Most undergrad colleges never get a student accepted to Harvard/Hopkins Med; or, send one (hooked) student every decade or so. OTOH, Harvard sends a bunch of undergrads to Harvard med. Ditto Yale & Hopkins.

So again, what is the "benefit"?

i_wanna_be_Brown

most schools list some sort of stat but with so little information as to how the stat is derived that it's essentially meaningless. Any school in the top 50 or maybe even top 100 will be fine for top med schools (assuming you do very well of course)

Kdog044

Here's the top list of schools for WUSTL.

COLLEGE TOTAL
Washington University 207
Harvard University 88
Duke University 79
Stanford University 72
University of California-Berkeley 51
Northwestern University / University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 48
Yale University /Cornell University 46
University of Illinois-Champaign Urbana 42
Princeton University 41
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 39
Brown University 38
Johns Hopkins University 37
University of Pennsylvania / University of California-Los Angeles 36
Rice University 33
Dartmouth College / University of Virginia 28
Brigham Young University-Main Campus 27
VanderbiltUniversity/UniversityofNotreDame 26
Case Western Reserve University 25
University of Wisconsin-Madison 24
Indiana University at Bloomington 23
University of Chicago 20
University of Georgia 18
University of Texas-Austin 18

spackler

Kdog that's the list. Nice job! Thank you. How might I get the same stats for sat the last 5 years?

Blue---You seem to be saying that the top med schools are mostly closed to all but the top med undergrads? If that's not what you are saying then correct me. If that IS what you are saying I woukld like to hear from others on this??

Do you have some back up to support that Harvard, Yale and Hopkins rarely accept anything but their own undergrads or is this just a known fact?

curmudgeon

spackler. My kid's med school class of 100 has 3 students from LAC's. (And she's one of them.) I did the numbers back then and all I can tell you is that Tip Top Private UG's are very well represented, Tip Top State Schools are well represented, Top Private and Public UG's have some representation, and directional state U's are not represented at all.

Amd the largest single school represented is their own UG. But that was only maybe 15% of the class.

mcat2

At DS's med school, for his class, two tip top private UGs consists of 12% and 10% of its incoming class, respectively. The largest single school represented is NOT their own UG (so the 10% one.)

When DS was at the second look at one top private and one top private in his home state, he felt that there were more representation of private UGs students at the private med school, and more representation of flagship public UGs students at the public med school. (This may also be because the said private med school is within the walking distance from a top private UG from which it takes many students almost every year so their participation rate could be higher. He said he ran into many students from that nearby private UG.)

Although this is only one data point, if this is true for more data points, it could tell you the "trend": A higher percentage of private UGs, as compared to their counterparts in public UGs, end up going to a private med school. (This may make the job of FA offices at a private med school somewhat easier --- especially when the students have been in private schools since elementary/middle/high schools.)

It is not that extreme. But there is a rumore that the "incest" effect is there. For example, I suspect that each year, Harvard med takes 10 from Harvard and 10 from Yale, at the minimum, Ditto for Yale Med.

kristin5792

My state (midwest) med school's the polar opposite of curm's and mcat's kids' schools. Almost half of my class of 100 came from my undergrad (my state's flagship), many came from other public schools (including directional ones! lol curm). I can only think of a handful who went to top 25s, and I can think of quite a few who went to other LACs (including some I've never heard of).

I think part of the underlying question is "Will I be a good doctor if I don't go to the top school?" and my response to that would be, "How do you define a good doctor?"

My school turns out many, many primary care docs (including many who stick around here for residency, which is among the better ones for primary care). I personally want to be a great clinician and make an impact on my community by working directly with the people in it; and my school is fantastic for that. But we don't have formal dual degree programs. We technically have an MD/PhD program, but it's not MSTP, and only two kids in the past 5 years have wanted to do it. As a result, not many new docs from my school choose primarily research fields, and I'm tempted to say not many get as heavily involved in policy and government down the road either.

If you're still researching undergrad schools, it's probably too early to be researching specific med schools because you probably don't even know for sure that you'll go into medicine anyway. Rather than focusing on which undergrad schools send the most grads to the med schools you think you want to go to, your energy might be better spent finding an undergrad school where you're happy and comfortable and challenged and not breaking the bank. After all, if you're thriving in a great environment, you're going to have the best time--and that's a key part to discovering if medicine's right for you anyway.

mcat2

^ It generally takes more than a couple of years to groom a "prestige whore." (just a joke here.) So if you want to become one, start early (only if it will not break the bank though.)

spackler

Please don't talk about Crum that way.
Not trying to be difficult. Really don't know the answer.
Kristin Quote; I personally want to be a great clinician and make an impact on my community by working directly with the people in it; and my school is fantastic for that.
Love that!!!
Quote I think part of the underlying question is "Will I be a good doctor if I don't go to the top school?" and my response to that would be, .....

No that was not part of the question nor was my energy.
Blue said:
Just the opposite. Most undergrad colleges never get a student accepted to Harvard/Hopkins Med; or, send one (hooked) student every decade or so. OTOH, Harvard sends a bunch of undergrads to Harvard med. Ditto Yale & Hopkins.

Seems like some agree---if they are correct then one (ho or not) needs to think about it UG.

bluebayou

Yup.

The latter. No med school is gonna make public it's narrow admissions focus, since it is politically incorrect and would get itself on the front page of the New York Times and WashPo.. But as curm found for Yale med, med schools do make up a confidential enrollment booklet of all the M1's. Get yourself a copy and count up the students from directional state Us. Zero.

But remember, the mcat is the #1 factor in gaining an interview to top schools. (GPA is a close second.) The tippy top Unis and LACs corner the market on top testers (since they screen for testing ability prior to enrollment in undergrad). Since HYPSM et al have the to testers, on average, their students will also have the top mcat (and lsat) scores, on average. Thus, they should do better, much better, on average.

Note, the incest is not only back east. Based on local reports, UCSF Med is comprised of approx. 1/3 Cal and Stanford grads. That's ~55 M1's from two undergrads colleges out of a class of 165.

i_wanna_be_Brown

You are all lucky I am doing a western blot and thus have some time to kill (well, I should be reading journal articles but I don't want to) so I went through my class list and wrote down where everyone went to school.

Brown 13
Columbia 10
Harvard 10
Cornell 8
Princeton 7
Duke 6
Yale 6
Stanford 5
Hopkins 4
NYU 4
Penn 4
Barnard 3
Northwestern 3
UC Berkley 3
Wash U 3
Wesleyan 3
Dartmouth 2
Maryland 2
Miami 2
Pomona 2
Rochester 2
SUNY Binghamton 2
Tufts 2
UCSD 2
Yeshiva 2
Amherst 1
Arizona 1
BC 1
Bowdoin 1
Brandeis 1
Brooklyn 1
Cal Poly Pomona 1
Case Western 1
CUNY Queens 1
Dickinson 1
Fordham 1
Hamilton 1
Haverford 1
Indiana Wesleyan 1
Kenyon 1
Lafayette 1
Michigan 1
Middlebury 1
Minnesota 1
Northeastern 1
Ohio State 1
SUNY Buffalo 1
Swarthmore 1
Syracuse 1
UC Santa Cruz 1
UCLA 1
Uconn 1
UVA 1
Vermont 1
Wellesley 1
Williams 1