How big of a disadvantage is being Asian in the highest income bracket? - Page 5

randombetch · 11-02-2009, 07:09 PM

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Slavery in America largely began for logical and practical reasons. It's the application of its rationale that made it biased, and similarly it's the means of achieving diversity at top schools that makes it racially prejudiced as well. Top schools could easily be achieving diversity without disadvantaging Asians against white applicants.

Uh.. you think slavery is logical? XD. Slavery disallows one ethnic group from pursuing jobs that they'd be best at and hurts society overall from a purely economical perspective (ever hear of the production possibilities curve?), not to mention the logic behind the basic ethics that slavery violates.

Speedo's nothing but a racist who's jealous of Asians in my eyes. A racist who's desperately trying to sound witty but instead just sounds like a bigot.

speedo · 11-02-2009, 09:18 PM

thank you for your kind words

monstor344 · 11-03-2009, 02:40 PM

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Uh.. you think slavery is logical? XD. Slavery disallows one ethnic group from pursuing jobs that they'd be best at and hurts society overall from a purely economical perspective (ever hear of the production possibilities curve?), not to mention the logic behind the basic ethics that slavery violates.

In America, slavery began as a way to replace indentured servitude. With the way the American economy was expanding in the late 1600s, it would have been economic suicide to not sustain a working force, especially as the number of indentured servants continued to taper. What made it racist was their method of creating a working force, which was through the enslavement of Africans. Slavery of African-Americans was very logical; that doesn't mean it was the tiniest bit right.

mam1959 · 11-03-2009, 03:43 PM

random - hollow headed? Really? I highly, highly doubt that you have anywhere near the academic credentials I have obtained. I rarely meet someone who does. But even if I didn't have those credentials, the fact is that schools like UCLA are evaluating "holistically" to avoid the restrictions imposed by Proposition 209. To assert otherwise requires a very significant burden of persuasion - one that is of course not met by referring to people (particularly here, with many bright people on this board) merely as hollow headed.
Tim Groseclose certainly thinks as I do.

Is U.C.L.A. Illegally Using Race-Based Affirmative Action in Admissions? - Freakonomics Blog - NYTimes.com

Of course, one can disagree with Mr. Groseclose, and one can argue whether the inclusion of lesser qualified student in facts takes the place of a Asian student (the statistics reflect that it does more often than not), but I don't think that makes Mr. Groseclose hollow headed, does it?

I was actually a bit disappointed in Mr. Groseclose's quitting this committee, but on reflection, I understand why one does not want to be a party to a lawsuit where it would be difficult to maintain one's integrity.

And I don't understand the insults. It does not persuade anyone. It evinces a lack of mental toughness and discipline, too.

And in the end, why not comment on the real social problem as opposed to averring that people with differing views are hollow headed without any evidence or facts or even intellectual aplomb to back it up? It is a tragedy that in a state of 30 million there are so few qualified black (and hispanic too) applicants to their top universities. That is the elephant in the room. And granting preferential treatment to a few is akin to throwing a pebble in the ocean.

speedo · 11-03-2009, 04:21 PM

cal berkeley 4% black and falling

Saugus · 11-03-2009, 06:50 PM

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You complain about Asians being self-entitled for demanding equality.

You are the one that is self-entitled. If you want to get somewhere, actually work for it. Why should anyone care about race at all? It has nothing to do with academics...

In fact, if I were a URM, I would be insulted at the suggestion that I would need an advantage.

speedo · 11-03-2009, 08:22 PM

We now have liftoff on another racist Asian black bashing thread. Berkeley is almost 50% Asian and 4% black and people are complaining. You won't be satisfied until it's 0% black.

epiphany · 11-03-2009, 08:44 PM

^...and 90% Asian (minimum).

(Because, according to an even hotter thread over in Admissions, Asians by their very nature "have superior qualifications," "are more qualified," than everyone else, etc., and because they are Asian should be admitted in greater quantity or percentages than others.)

= racism by any other name.

speedo · 11-03-2009, 08:48 PM

As I mentioned very a couple of weeks ago on that thread (before it turned into the usual racism) ironically many of the Asians who constantly whine here on Cc wouldn't want to go to Berkeley if it was 90% Asian. It would somehow be considered less desirable.

randombetch · 11-03-2009, 08:52 PM

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I highly, highly doubt that you have anywhere near the academic credentials I have obtained. I rarely meet someone who does.

LOL, good for you?

Saugus · 11-03-2009, 11:03 PM

Oh, so now I'M the racist after you scoffed at the suggestion that you were one?

Who exactly are you trying to blame for the 4% African-American population, Speedo? Asians? And furthermore, why is race relevant to you in the first place?

speedo · 11-04-2009, 07:44 AM

Saugaus you're the poster who raised the question about whether to note your race on your app. Apparently race matters a lot to you. And it matters a lot to the posters who constantly post on Asian whine threads here on CC. Most of those threads, like this one, have similar trends. Whining and blaming eventually turn into racism. This thread is a little unique as the op has already made up his or her mind on the original question and is whining about an action - rejection - that has not even occurred.

Saugus · 11-04-2009, 10:26 AM

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You're. An. Idiot.

This will be the last time I reply to you, since your reading comprehension skills are patently far below average. Race doesn't matter to me, which is why I don't believe it should be a factor, and using it as a factor is blatant racism.

I'm not complaining about being rejected since I haven't been rejected. I was asking a question until you came in.

mam1959 · 11-04-2009, 11:04 AM

no - random - your snarky response will not cut it. And I am not sure whether, as you aver, my achievements are good for me - but they sure as heck make your comments look immature and unsubstantiated.

And explain your glorious academic achievements and professional ones while you are it - you know - the ones that make you qualified to call others hollow headed.

In other words, address the hollow headed comment directly. What is your basis for it? I suggest some data, too, my friend, to back your point up.

And here's another hollow headed guy for you - a Princeton professor.

News: The Power of Race - Inside Higher Ed

He of course concludes that Asian students are at a significant disadvantage.

Another hollow headed guy, right? In all your brilliance, can you rebut the data?

randombetch · 11-04-2009, 02:03 PM

Oh, your accomplishments make my comments look immature? We don't even know what your accomplishments are, so how could they make my comments look immature? Are you just stringing together words out of your ass? Maybe you don't understand how the internet works.

No one gives a crap what your accomplishments are dude. There is no reason for me to have to explain my "academic achievements" nor give any qualifications to call you hollow headed. I said it, it's done; I think you need to get over it and stop acting so insecure.