speedo

from the article cited

"I understand the worry of Asian students but do I have a smoking gun? no"

The claims of bias remain unsubstantiated but the whining goes on and on and on.

monstor344

epiphany, if you were anyone else I would have read your post as sarcasm.

n00bpwner

um this might be a stupid question.
but where on the common app do you state your family's net income? :O

speedo

the common app doesn't ask for net income

n00bpwner

then what does ^?
How do the colleges you apply for know your low-income or high-income?

speedo

If you're applying for aid you get identified through the fafsa or through the colleges own finaid forms. Princeton like a small number of the best colleges is need blind in the app process, so that finaid info is kept separate from the app. But a lot of people speculate that they actually do take income into account - no proof of that either. However the college can still speculate from the info in your essays etc about your socio economic status if they care to do so. In any case, they're hardly likely to discriminate against high income apps, it's pretty ludicrous.

Elle4Luck

Wowww. Welcome to the Princeton forums. Honestly all, this is beyond pointless. No matter what we speculate goes on in admissions offices, can I just please say that they are far beyond our control? The college admissions process is not perfect. But it is something that has proven effective by the dynamics created by the HYPS campuses that we all long to be a part of. If admissions worked any differently, if they accepted many more Asians or many more URMs, the colleges themselves would be different places. I think adcoms know what they're doing. The fact of the matter is, the world is an unfair place. It just is. And college admissions is no exception. Yes, Asian applicants with high SAT scores typically get rejected. So what? Many students with high SAT scores get rejected. It's just the way this process works. I am going to go out on a limb here, and say what has been said before--many students with 5.0 GPAs, 36ACTs and 2400 SATs are rejected every year not because of their race, but because they lack the ability to meaningfully communicate something that matters to them. Something that 10,000 other applicants don't have. And sorry, and yes this is a stereotype, but an Asian student with perfect stats + track + math team + 12 years of piano/violin is not going to cut it because there are at LEAST 500 applications that look just like that. And that goes for every other race too. So how do they pick who is accepted? Well maybe they will pick the one with a slightly different story, one who overcame obstacles, one who effectively used pathos and made them believe that this student HAD to come to their school. I don't think it's wrong for adcoms to desire something different.

To the posters who are borderline racist in their comments: please try to look at it from someone else's point of view. I am Asian-American *please don't hurt me*, and I too was offended by many of the comments here. Do not label all of us as whiny or racist. Doing so only makes you both whiny and racist. For anyone who feels as though your rejection to a top school was a race-based rejection, let it go. Everyone says it's not about where you go, but what you do while you're there. And for anyone like me, who is applying this year and is freaked by the craziness that is posted on these boards, I think what we have to remember is that everyone comes in with some kind of advantages and disadvantages. If you are an URM, legacy, merit scholar, etc. there is no shame in using what you have. Just focus on standing out, and making the best case for yourself. And if we get rejected, it will not be because someone 'stole our spot', but because they belonged at that school more than we did.

splat11

Good post Elle

mam1959

Ahh, random, you don't address the substance of the subject.

And you don't even address your awesome credentials. I assume you have attended top 10 schools (undergrad and grad), been at the top of the class in both, and have experienced the intense competitive rigor of being national level athlete? Something along these lines, right? Pretty easy to answer, of course.

And you don't address the hollow headed insult.

Let me stop with this - I don't often hear hollow headed insults from people that are not educated, likely not all that bright, cite no facts or data to back up the conclusion, and then refuse to debate. But you win the prize - good luck in persuading others.

randombetch

Is 1959 your birthdate? That would explain why you talk like a socially retarded egoist - you're just an old guy who's clueless! LOL

Oh wowww, I'm sooo impressed with your "credentials" - except that nowadays us young folk look at someone trying to argue against someone online using their "credentials" as a huge d-bag (you know what that is, right?). That's why I didn't "address my awesome credentials" - so I won't sound like a giant turd (by the way, going to a top 10 college signifies nothing about intelligence if you're an athlete and just got recruited - actually pretty unsurprising that you're an athlete to me). But if you're really that curious - I attend the top 1 undergrad, and I am at the top of the class here.

By the way, there's no "others" whom I'm trying to persuade. Do you not understand how the internet works these days?

Here let me help you out with your grammar: http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/doubneg.html

yppilF

LOL @ mam. What a moron XD