How fierce?
Which one is the hardest to get into?
Pick one:
1. Wharton- Penn
2. Yale SCEA
3. Stanford SCEA
4. Harvard RD
5. Woodrow Wilson School- Princeton
Woodrow Wilson probably shouldn't be on the list. You don't apply to Woodrow Wilson until the end of your sophomore year since Woody Woo is for Juniors and Seniors only. Wharton is also in a different pool too since (at least I think) there are specific courses you have to take prior to applying. You would probably only really be able to compare 2. and 3. since RD admission is a little different from SCEA.
randombetchPosts: 1,079Registered UserSenior Member
By pure acceptance rates:
1. Wharton- Penn
~13%
2. Yale SCEA
~14%
3. Stanford SCEA
~13%
4. Harvard RD
~7%
5. Woodrow Wilson School- Princeton
(50%)*(~8%) = ~4%
Clearly, it's harder to get into WWS.
But seriously, getting into Yale and Stanford SCEA are easier than getting into Harvard RD, and getting into Princeton's WWS is harder than getting into Harvard RD since you have to both get into Princeton (maybe a tad bit easier than getting into Harvard) and then beat out half of the applicants to the WWS.
I don't claim to know everything about WWS, but from what I understand, the 50% admit rate for WWS isn't really competitive. It's more that they look for your focus that you REALLY want to study public policy and not just business or politics. They make sure that it is the right major for you and that your interests are not better suited to another department.
In my opinion, Harvard RD is the hardest to get in.
randombetchPosts: 1,079Registered UserSenior Member
No, they definitely consider GPA highly. I know someone who was extremely passionate about public policy but she was rejected because of her mediocre GPA.
5. Woodrow Wilson School- Princeton
(50%)*(~8%) = ~4%
This is not an accurate use of statistics because you are mixing up sample spaces. The sample space for all of the events except being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is kids applying to undergraduate programs, they can be fairly compared. The sample space for being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is sophomores already at Princeton.
screwitlahPosts: 1,980Registered UserSenior Member
This is not an accurate use of statistics because you are mixing up sample spaces. The sample space for all of the events except being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is kids applying to undergraduate programs, they can be fairly compared. The sample space for being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is sophomores already at Princeton.
I agree. When you apply for WWS as a current Princeton student, you're not competing against those who got into Harvard, or anyone else outside the WWS applicant pool for that matter. It's not that hard.
randombetchPosts: 1,079Registered UserSenior Member
This is not an accurate use of statistics because you are mixing up sample spaces. The sample space for all of the events except being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is kids applying to undergraduate programs, they can be fairly compared. The sample space for being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is sophomores already at Princeton.
Obviously I was joking with the comparison. "Clearly, it's harder to get into WWS. ... But seriously,..."
I agree. When you apply for WWS as a current Princeton student, you're not competing against those who got into Harvard, or anyone else outside the WWS applicant pool for that matter. It's not that hard.
Sure it's not that hard... If you already got into Princeton. The applicant pool for WWS is obviously much more qualified than Harvard applicants - the entire applicant pool is composed of students who already were admitted to Princeton and believe they have a shot at getting into WWS.
If you are looking purely at statistics and simplifying down to pure probabilities, then the comparison I used is valid (the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities). Of course it's not that simple though.
I agree that getting into WWS is not hard. But getting into Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. is even easier.
If you are looking purely at statistics and simplifying down to pure probabilities, then the comparison I used is valid (the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities).
the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities when the two event occur in the same sample space. Otherwise it's gibberish.
screwitlahPosts: 1,980Registered UserSenior Member
Sure it's not that hard... If you already got into Princeton. The applicant pool for WWS is obviously much more qualified than Harvard applicants - the entire applicant pool is composed of students who already were admitted to Princeton and believe they have a shot at getting into WWS.
And the admission rate for WWS is 50% from that pool, compared to ~7% for Harvard. And seriously, the applicant pool isn't even that qualified. Just as many unqualified people take a shot at Harvard anyway for the prestige, tons of unqualified people do the same thing for WWS.
If you are looking purely at statistics and simplifying down to pure probabilities, then the comparison I used is valid (the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities). Of course it's not that simple though.
These are also not independent events. Getting into WWS is dependent on getting into Princeton. If you don't get into Princeton, the chances of getting into WWS is 0 i.e. it changes with acceptance into Princeton, so they're not independent. Give up on this, pre-med
The main problem is, once again, that when you apply to WWS you're not competing with the ones who got into Harvard. These people may on average be stronger than the ones in the WWS applicant pool, but are not part of it.
I agree that getting into WWS is not hard. But getting into Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. is even easier.
I got into WWS and I don't think I could have got into HSY "easily". Fact is, I didn't. At most, since P and Y have similar admit rates, so student quality is almost the same, and you could say getting into WWS is harder than getting into Yale. But H and S are just slightly more selective and have slightly better yield rates, so I think student quality on average is slightly higher. It's not a fair comparison anymore.
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1. Wharton- Penn
~13%
2. Yale SCEA
~14%
3. Stanford SCEA
~13%
4. Harvard RD
~7%
5. Woodrow Wilson School- Princeton
(50%)*(~8%) = ~4%
Clearly, it's harder to get into WWS.
But seriously, getting into Yale and Stanford SCEA are easier than getting into Harvard RD, and getting into Princeton's WWS is harder than getting into Harvard RD since you have to both get into Princeton (maybe a tad bit easier than getting into Harvard) and then beat out half of the applicants to the WWS.
In my opinion, Harvard RD is the hardest to get in.
Thanks guys for detailed answers
This is not an accurate use of statistics because you are mixing up sample spaces. The sample space for all of the events except being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is kids applying to undergraduate programs, they can be fairly compared. The sample space for being accepted to the Woodrow Wilson School is sophomores already at Princeton.
I agree. When you apply for WWS as a current Princeton student, you're not competing against those who got into Harvard, or anyone else outside the WWS applicant pool for that matter. It's not that hard.
Obviously I was joking with the comparison. "Clearly, it's harder to get into WWS. ... But seriously,..."
Sure it's not that hard... If you already got into Princeton. The applicant pool for WWS is obviously much more qualified than Harvard applicants - the entire applicant pool is composed of students who already were admitted to Princeton and believe they have a shot at getting into WWS.
If you are looking purely at statistics and simplifying down to pure probabilities, then the comparison I used is valid (the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities). Of course it's not that simple though.
I agree that getting into WWS is not hard. But getting into Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. is even easier.
the probability of two independent events occurring is the product of their probabilities when the two event occur in the same sample space. Otherwise it's gibberish.
And the admission rate for WWS is 50% from that pool, compared to ~7% for Harvard. And seriously, the applicant pool isn't even that qualified. Just as many unqualified people take a shot at Harvard anyway for the prestige, tons of unqualified people do the same thing for WWS.
These are also not independent events. Getting into WWS is dependent on getting into Princeton. If you don't get into Princeton, the chances of getting into WWS is 0 i.e. it changes with acceptance into Princeton, so they're not independent. Give up on this, pre-med
The main problem is, once again, that when you apply to WWS you're not competing with the ones who got into Harvard. These people may on average be stronger than the ones in the WWS applicant pool, but are not part of it.
I got into WWS and I don't think I could have got into HSY "easily". Fact is, I didn't. At most, since P and Y have similar admit rates, so student quality is almost the same, and you could say getting into WWS is harder than getting into Yale. But H and S are just slightly more selective and have slightly better yield rates, so I think student quality on average is slightly higher. It's not a fair comparison anymore.