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Ohiodad51 Senior Member

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  • Re: The Atlantic "Rape on Campus" Articles

    For those of you standing in the ever shortening line supporting this system, hopefully this will give you some pause.

  • Re: Expanding the Ivy League?

    So if we did want to talk about athletic and academic similarities in the Ivy League, I'd also vote for William and Mary, but I'd still think "why?" because it has no meaning in the modern world.

    I will freely admit to being biased, having a son playing in the Ivy and as a former athlete from a school in the not dissimilar Patriot league, but I think the Ivy model for sports has a lot of meaning in the modern world. It may be a tiny island in a sea of ESPN, the BIG network, the SEC channel, etc, but the Ivy inarguably has a much better grasp on the significance of sports vis academia than a whole lot of other schools. To give an idea of what I am talking about, last year during the broadcast of the Patriot League basketball championship game (which was played at Bucknell on a weekday), the announcer on Fox said "You know, these schools take academics seriously. Lehigh's pre game routine was shortened because they couldn't leave until their players finished their last class today." I at least am glad such places exist.

    So I personally am glad the Ivy is what it is even if its only purpose today is to serve as a foil for the insanity of pretending that a kid enrolled at Duke who spends his entire winter and spring flying across the country on a freaking Tuesday evening just to feed the beast that is Duke basketball is a "student athlete" rather than just a cog in a multi million dollar business. Every time I see Stanford or Vandy play a weekday football game it makes me want to puke.
  • Re: Is high price tag of university a scam to high-middle income family?

    This benefits more on rich ( top 1%) or those with income under (65k/annual) because they are either can pay easily or pay nothing. For the family in the middle, they pay the full price which actually are paying for the lower income group mentioned above. This is another high "tax" to the hard working high -middle income family, not to mention a "race" factor in the admission selection.

    A middle class income in the United States in 2016, according to Pew, is roughly $55,000 for a family of four. Median income for a family of four last year was around $73k. People who are full pay at any Ivy, which would require an income well beyond twice the national median at even the stingiest Ivy school, are by no rational definition middle class.
  • Re: OVs canceled for "team problem"--want to speculate as to what it is?

    I think @twoinandone's scenario is as least as likely as that it is some systemic issue like hazing, mass cutting or an impending crack up on the staff. There could also be a tragedy someone on or around the team is dealing with, some NCAA issue that cropped up, some issue with eligibility, or just that there was a leak in the ceiling and the carpeting/furniture in the locker room needs to be replaced that weekend, etc (which happened recently at my son's school). I would not leap to the conclusion that it is something horrible.

    And not to sound trite, but there are vanishingly few teams where a good number of kids are not subject to discipline from time to time. It is just the way it works.

    I would also echo @dadof4kids and advise your daughter to ask what is going on. I understand that some things are internal to the locker room, but the coach should be willing to give her a broad outline of what is going on. Then she can make her decision as to whether it changes how she feels about the school.
  • Re: Ivy League vs. NESCAC

    @ephman, you make a lot of good points. Although I do think it is fair to state that, as with the earlier digression about Stanford and the Director's Cup, most NESCAC schools sponser far more varsity teams than other Division 3 schools. For example, Williams, which has won the Director's Cup every year except three since its inception, sponsers thirty two sports. Washington St Louis, which finished second in the D3 Director's Cup last year, sponsers seventeen. Emory, which finished third, sponsers eighteen. Middlebury was fourth and sponsers twenty nine. While I do not in any way mean to take away from the success of the NESCAC conference, this is a huge advantage in a system that calculates the highest point total of the eighteen best teams at a given school.

    I also think that before a conference can be called "by far the most dominant" it would need to compete successfully and consistently in sports that are maybe more nationally popular &/or economically less restrictive. Clearly, the NESCAC is dominant, or at least very strong, in sports like lax, tennis, field hockey, crew, squash, etc. But they fair less well in the more popular sports. In other words, a conference that is a non factor in football, claims one championship each in baseball and softball and I think four or five combined in men's and women's basketball in the last almost half century is a long way from all sports dominance, imho.

    All that said, you are absolutely correct that some kids are going to trade having more success, either individually or as a team member, for the opportuinty to play at a generally higher level against better competition. Others are going to choose the higher level, because in the main that is what good and serious athletes do, test themselves against the best competition they can find. My guess, based on my own history as a once indestructible eighteen year old athlete who choose a perennial sub .500 D1 school over a lot of options in D2 and D3, is that most kids with the talent and committment necessary to play in D1 are going to choose the higher level and trust in their abilities to find success. But not everyone will make that choice, and it is certainly not irrational to choose otherwise. I think @SwimDad99 hits it squarely when he said that his son had to decide between being a top of the heap performer for a good squad against being a middling performer for a middling squad. As I said previously, my son choose the Ivy for largely competitive reasons even though he thought the academics at some of the NESCAS were mostly on par with the Ivy schools recruiting him. Maybe he would have made a different decision if his options were going to Amherst, a dominant team in the NESCAC, or perennial Ivy bottom dweller Cornell.