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Ohiodad51 Senior Member

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  • Re: The Atlantic "Rape on Campus" Articles

    So efforts to make the process better then? Something we all agree upon but the specifics of which we never discuss for very long.

    If you look at DeVos' recent comments, she has indicated pretty directly that they will send regulations on this issue through the adminstrative rule making process, which will provide quite a bit of time for people to be heard and a variety of ideas to be vetted. It will hopefully result in more balanced requirements and guidance from the OCR, which I think is in everyone's interest.
  • Re: Occupation of Humanities 110

    At some point, doesn't intellectual honestly require that we all acknowledge that this is not just an ever lengthening string of unrelated, isolated incidents?
  • Re: Expanding the Ivy League?

    So if we did want to talk about athletic and academic similarities in the Ivy League, I'd also vote for William and Mary, but I'd still think "why?" because it has no meaning in the modern world.

    I will freely admit to being biased, having a son playing in the Ivy and as a former athlete from a school in the not dissimilar Patriot league, but I think the Ivy model for sports has a lot of meaning in the modern world. It may be a tiny island in a sea of ESPN, the BIG network, the SEC channel, etc, but the Ivy inarguably has a much better grasp on the significance of sports vis academia than a whole lot of other schools. To give an idea of what I am talking about, last year during the broadcast of the Patriot League basketball championship game (which was played at Bucknell on a weekday), the announcer on Fox said "You know, these schools take academics seriously. Lehigh's pre game routine was shortened because they couldn't leave until their players finished their last class today." I at least am glad such places exist.

    So I personally am glad the Ivy is what it is even if its only purpose today is to serve as a foil for the insanity of pretending that a kid enrolled at Duke who spends his entire winter and spring flying across the country on a freaking Tuesday evening just to feed the beast that is Duke basketball is a "student athlete" rather than just a cog in a multi million dollar business. Every time I see Stanford or Vandy play a weekday football game it makes me want to puke.
  • Re: Expanding the Ivy League?

    ^ "Let me know when they can get 100,000 people to come and watch a math test" - Bo Schembechler, being questioned about a professor's statement that football was bad for the University of Michigan.

    Also, there is an Ivy League network, just like the BIG network or the SEC network. It's just that the games are broadcast on regional network affiliates and places like Omni Sports and One rather than ESPN and Fox Sports. Pretty sure the payout per school is a little different too, lol.
  • Re: Expanding the Ivy League?

    It will never happen. The schools in the Ivy are bonded together by not only a large degree of snobbiness and elitism (which as many here have noted is an attitude shared by a number of other schools), but by a collective decision by several schools now in the League to consciously turn away from big time college sports as it began to grow into the system we see today. This history of voluntarily walking away, which to one degree or another is shared by all the schools (excepting maybe Brown), is a huge piece of the ethos of the League and in my opinion is the salient distinguishing factor between the eight Ivys and other highly selective schools.

    This was a very different choice from that made by other elite academic institutions like Vandy, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and Notre Dame, all of whom to one degree or another have made concessions to their general academic rigor in order to remain or become competitive in big time athletics. Other academic peers, like JHU, MIT, Amherst, Williams, Cal Tech, etc, never really participated in college athletics at the highest level and as such are similarly distinct from the Ivy model. UChicago is maybe the only school that has both the academic chops/rep and the shared athletic history to fit within the Ivy league.

    As far as @Muchtolearn's supposition about the percentage of people who can name half of the schools in the Ivy, there is an old joke that goes there are four schools which make the Ivy famous, and four schools which are famous for being in the Ivy League. The four schools are Harvard, Yale, Princeton and whichever school the teller happened to attend. For that reason, I would be willing to bet that a fair percentage of people would get to 50% of the Ivy, if by no other means than hitting the "big three" and then guessing right on the fourth. The interesting question is whether more people would name MIT as the fourth school than any other. :)