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  • Re: 40% of students admitted to top choice turn it down because of cost

    Hoggirl wrote:
    Edit: sorry - I don't know how to make the quote be in a gray box.

    Like this:

    [quote=Hoggirl]Edit: sorry - I don't know how to make the quote be in a gray box.[/quote]
  • Re: AP Calculus BC = Calculus II ??

    Yes, high school calculus AB will cover enough material that you can then go into college calculus 2 (but try the college's old calculus 1 final exams to check your knowledge).

    Completion of college calculus 2 or high school calculus BC will typically place you into college calculus 3, linear algebra, or differential equations if you take more math afterward (again, try the college's old calculus 2 final exams).

    Colleges may have different levels of calculus (1 and) 2. The standard one is for math, physics, and engineering majors. Some offer an honors version with more proofs. Many offer a less rigorous one for business majors. Be sure to choose the one most suitable for your academic goals.
  • Re: Rejected from pretty much everywhere I applied - 35 ACT, NMF, 1560 SAT

    Three admissions means that you did not get rejected pretty much everywhere.

    Remember that medical school is expensive, so you want to avoid dragging a lot of undergraduate debt along if you go to medical school.
  • Re: How much longer will students be willing to go away to college?

    WesmoreDad wrote:
    I think we tend to oversimplify when we assume excessive wealth for everyone sending their kid where they want to go, be it some expensive private college or out-of-state to a Berkeley or UVa, or Michigan, all three of which are going to cost you around what you'd pay for a private college. I know a lot of people "figuring it out".

    The median household income is around $57k per year*. Households headed by those age 45-54 (likely age with high school or college age kids) are somewhat higher at around $74k per year*. Unless such a household has been doing aggressively frugal saving since before the college-bound kids were born, it is unlikely to be able to pay anywhere near list price of a private or out-of-state college (which would basically be their entire income). Obviously, high stat kids who can get good scholarships and/or financial aid helps, but the more typical kids have limited choices.

    *See https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/tables/time-series/historical-income-households/h10ar.xls .

    Note also this thread: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1975814-article-families-earning-105k-cant-afford-more-than-half-of-us-colleges.html
  • Re: How much longer will students be willing to go away to college?

    WesmoreDad wrote:
    There is a clearly identifiable, and somewhat pedantic, cohort on CC that puts forth a fairly narrow view of what college is supposed to be. There is often a rescuing, "it all depends on the kid", qualifier, but in the end, the view tends towards the pragmatic, and things like living in a dorm and going away and being exposed to this or that seldom makes their list of priorities or values. Their focus is almost entirely on career outcomes, and tends to pooh-pooh the idea of learning for learning's sake, and also tends to dismiss the important of liberal educations in the classic sense.

    There's no mystery from whence that view originates: it is all about economics. And on that point, I can't really blame them. It doesn't change the underlying merits when it comes to considering some of the non-pragmatic benefits of college, but it's there nonetheless.

    For most college students and parents, such pragmatism is forced on them by college costs. When faced with the choice of the "optimal" college experience at unreasonable debt, not going to college at all because it is too expensive, or the "budget" college experience that may not include living in the dorm, etc. but is affordable, many will choose the latter.

    It is true that this forum is disproportionately populated by students and parents who have more choice in the matter, with students who have high enough credentials to earn large merit scholarships or admission to the best financial aid colleges, and/or parents with enough income and wealth to pay for more than commuting to the local state university. These students certainly have more ability to choose the "optimal" college experience (though those with professional school aspirations need to consider the costs of those as well).

    I.e. the 4.0/34/1500 student with wealthy parents who can comfortably pay the list price anywhere has a lot more choice in the possibility of choosing the "optimal" college experience than the 3.3/25/1200 student with middle income parents. But the latter type of student is much more common than the former.