College Confidential
» CC HOME » FORUM HOME

  College Confidential > College Admissions and Search > SAT and ACT Tests & Test Preparation
New User

Welcome to College Confidential!
The leading college-bound community on the web
Join for FREE now, and start talking with other members, weighing in on community polls, and more.

Also, by registering and logging in you'll see fewer ads and pesky welcome messages (like this one)!
Discussion Menu
»Discussion Home
»Help & Rules
»Latest Posts
»NEW! CampusVibe™
»Stats Profiles
Top Forums
»College Chances
»College Search
»College Admissions
»Financial Aid
»SAT/ACT
»Parents
»Colleges
»Ivy League
Main CC Site
»College Confidential
»College Search
»College Admissions
»Paying for College
Sponsors
SuperMatch - The Future of College Search!
CampusVibe - Almost As Good As A Campus Visit!
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-04-2008, 12:25 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 84
Curve on the SAT - which test date is better?

Is the curve better on the October or November SAT? My D is took the March SAT as a junior and will be retaking the test in the fall.
stny is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 12:50 AM   #2
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 152
i think it depends on the test each time... depending on how well the general popluation does on it.

if it's easy.. meaning more people score very well then its going to be a harsh curve...

whereas if its extremely difficult then even if you miss a few questions you can still do well.
rssll5 is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 01:17 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 2,124
The tests are normalized such that there should be no difference from date to date.
sherpa is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 06:14 AM   #4
fhg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,217
There isn't a set difficulty for each particular month(that's a myth), i.e. March isn't necessary always the hardest curve, but it did happen to be particularly harsh this year.
fhg is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 06:25 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 338
Well I kinda heard that in a particular month (is it December or something?) more Chinese people will take the SATs during their hols... And the curve for the maths will be much steeper. Dunno how true it is though, just my $.02.

Good luck!
lisieux is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 06:41 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: VWG '14 (and married to Quasi)
Posts: 9,571
Err...unfounded claims, anyone?
tetrisfan is offline   Reply   
Old 06-04-2008, 07:19 AM   #7
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 928
Much time, money and effort is put into ensuring that a specific candidate will have the same opportunity to earn the appropriate score during any and all testing dates. Period.
BigIs is online now   Reply   
Old 06-10-2008, 06:10 AM   #8
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: southwest, usa --> new haven
Posts: 180
that said there are dates when the curve is easier. for example in january you could miss one on the writing MC, write a 9 essay, and still get an 800 on wr overall.
philoglossia is offline   Reply   
Old 06-10-2008, 01:16 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 17,478
First off, there is no such thing as a curve in the sense that we think about it in school; it does not matter who else is taking the test. ALL test administrations are scaled, and each test scale is equivalent to every other test scale. On an extremely rare occasion, a bad question will slip thru the experimental gauntlet and be thrown out after the fact.
bluebayou is offline   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 03:44 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 39
mhmm, don't take the Oct. one... cuz nowadays more and more Chinese are studying for SATs... and Oct.1 to Oct.7 is their National Holidays... as a result, most Chinese will attend the Oct.4 SAT Reasoning test... so Math and Writing score will go steeper cuz they're STRONG in these two fields... most of them got 800 in math and 650 in Writing...
susandaine is offline   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 11:46 AM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 928
It DOESN'T MATTER WHICH DATE YOU CHOOSE, though many people "know" better.
BigIs is online now   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 02:07 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,278
The "curve" (by which I'm assuming everyone means the mapping from raw scores to scaled scores) is NOT dependent on, say, whether a disproportionate number of strong math students happen to take a particular test.

The curve is used to compensate for changes in the difficulty of the SAT from one test to another. The "variable" sections in each test contain repeated questions from previous tests to distinguish between, e.g., whether a test was too easy or whether a bunch of very good students took the test (both would result in unusually high raw scores).

I'm not saying that there aren't psychological effects due to taking a test with an easy curve vs. one with a hard curve, just that the curve won't reflect that a bunch of very good students took the test.

For more info (very technical), see:

http://www.collegeboard.com/research/pdf/rn14_11427.pdf
fignewton is offline   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 04:15 PM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 713
January has historically had the best curves. But like all the above posters said, the test is designed so that everything is equalized. It really doesn't matter.
Echelon32 is offline   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 05:09 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 17,478
Quote:
mhmm, don't take the Oct. one... cuz nowadays more and more Chinese are studying for SATs... and Oct.1 to Oct.7 is their National Holidays... as a result, most Chinese will attend the Oct.4 SAT Reasoning test... so Math and Writing score will go steeper cuz they're STRONG in these two fields... most of them got 800 in math and 650 in Writing.
This is just fuzzy logic. Regardless of which test date you take, miss one math problem and you will receive a 770. Get them all right and you will recieve an 800. It does not matter if one million others also get them all correct on the math section on the October test -- it will still be an 800. The SAT is NOT CURVED!

Quote:
January has historically had the best curves.
This is an urban myth, propagated by an former admissions rep to sell books.
bluebayou is offline   Reply   
Old 06-11-2008, 06:39 PM   #15
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 713
?????
This is no urban myth...January QAS explicitly display the curves. And you're incorrect about the math score. Depending on the test difficulty, CB changes the conversion accordingly, as you can see below...where there was an administration that actually gave 800s to people who missed a math problem.

I'm not too clear on how exactly they determine it, but I do believe the kids taking the test have an input in the curve determination. They are predetermined based on test difficulty, then CB works some voodoo with the "equating" process to ensure equality. There are articles out there that discuss what the equating process entails.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon32
nygirl - historically january curves haven't been too shabby. This past december one was a nice surprise though definitely more lenient than what I heard with the november one...

Jan 2006
CR.........M..........W
67 - 800 54 - 800 E12 or 11 = -1 still 800
66 - 800 53 - 800 Perfect MC and as low as E9 for 800
65 - 800 52 - 780
64 - 780 51 - 760
63 - 760 50 - 740

Jan 2007
CR.........M..........W
67 - 800 54 - 800 E12 and -2 for 800
66 - 800 53 - 780 E11 and -1 for 800
65 - 800 52 - 760 Perfect MC and as low as E9 for 800
64 - 800 51 - 740
63 - 780 50 - 720
62 - 760 49 - 710
61 - 750 48 - 700
Echelon32 is offline   Reply   
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:40 PM.




Copyright 2001-2011, Hobsons, Inc., All Rights Reserved