If you don't think you can place out of a foreign language or would rather learn another language from the beginnning, how many classes must you take to at least fulfill the core requirement? Also if you want to pursue something like a double major or a joint bachelor/master, would not passing out of foreign language inhibit your ability to complete the requirements of these programs? Thank you for any help.
I took three years of Latin becuase that's all my school offered, and by the time I go to take the test it will have been like one and a half yeras since I had any real latin. Is it possible to test out with just that mediocre background, that is, if I review before I go to take the test?
It does depend on the language. Spanish is known as an easy test-out for most, but I know for a fact that other languages, particularly East Asian languages, are much harder to test out of. I know people who studied Japanese for 5 years who only got out of one quarter of Japanese and another person who ranked 3rd in the nation in a H.S. National Speech Contest who also only tested out of a quarter.
HenryJames: Yes, it probably would. Joint programs are extremely time-constraining and difficult, and one often has to dedicate almost all of his electives toward it. It does depend on the program. I looked at the Joint Statistics program and it seems incredibly light-weight in comparison to the Joint Math program.
"I took three years of Latin becuase that's all my school offered, and by the time I go to take the test it will have been like one and a half years since I had any real latin."
That was my son's situtation with Spanish - he needed a quarter at Chicago and then passed his proficiency exam. The interesting thing, those, was that his instructor was excellent and he enjoyed the class - even if he had to stuggle to get up to spell.
If you have time to prep for you exam during the summer it wouldn't hurt - even if you don't place out of Latin, you will get more out of the formal course if you have to take it.
Does AP 3 = done with requirement mean that I wouldn't have to take Chicago's placement test? if I choose to, I could take the placement test to see if I could get credit/more placement, but it's not required...is this right? (I took AP junior year and haven't had any language since then. I'm not sure how much I could manage to remember, even with a summer to review.)
a few related questions: does an AP score of 3 get placement into a 2nd year course? and how hard are the language courses at Chicago? I'd really love to continue French or try a new language (Russian, maybe?), but grammar and speaking come very painfully and very, very slowly for me.
If one is considering grad school and has to take a new foreign language (becaue Spanish isn't one of the options for the PhD S wants), wouldn't it make sense to take that sequence late in the game so one is fairly fresh when taking the language competency test for grad school? Or does the FL test happen after you've finished prelims?
S is thinking about Russian or German, but I know that if he takes the sequence freshman year, it will be GONE four years hence.
Don't be so quick to avoid languages at Chicago. The place offers an unbelievable range of languages, including some I've never heard of. It offers grants to support summer study of languages (FLAG program). Many of the language classes emphasize not just language basics, but an understanding of the culture and literature of another country.
My own D, never having taken Spanish, decided to take that her first year. She struggled her first quarter as probably the only kid in the class that never studied spanish before, but found her footing and decided to minor in spanish. By her second year, she was reading spanish poetry with her TA. Her junior year, she took 3 spanish courses at once her winter quarter, including a grad one. And she's a bio major!
In short, the place has some good stuff. Check it out!