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UF drops behind U Miami in the 2011 USNews rankings.

MyOpinionMyOpinion Posts: 758Registered User Member
edited August 2010 in University of Florida
As some of us predicted last year, University Florida has fallen 6 spots behind Miami in the USNews 2011 rankings.

UMiami # 47 (with Penn State and U of I Champaign)

U Florida # 53 (behind Tulane)

No longer in the top 50. Thanks a lot Machen.
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Replies to: UF drops behind U Miami in the 2011 USNews rankings.

  • Ryan82Ryan82 Posts: 314Registered User Junior Member
    By a lot of rankings, UF is still the best school in Florida.

    Forbes Rankings:

    University of Florida #93

    University of Miami #293

    I also wouldn't blame Machen, US News is usually biased against public institutions.
  • aforautumnaforautumn Posts: 1,381Registered User Senior Member
    if you plan on working in the state of florida after graduation, you have to be retarded to take that ranking into consideration when making a decision about where to go.
  • Ryan82Ryan82 Posts: 314Registered User Junior Member
    Completely agree, at the end of the day the rankings don't matter. Both publications are trying to sell magazines, so they will consistently change the rankings.

    Comparing UM and UF is basically comparing apples and oranges.
  • rankinrrankinr Posts: 749Registered User Member
    UM and UF are both great schools of almost equal caliber regardless of what the rankings at any websites say. Let's just all get along :)

    And, let's all celebrate the fact that as of this year the state of Florida has two additional Universities listed under a Tier 1 classification. Welcome to the club, USF and UCF.
  • Matt125Matt125 Posts: 762Registered User Member
    NOW the rankings don't matter.

    Glad we can all agree. :D
  • ZaerszZaersz Posts: 414Registered User Member
    I think the rankings do matter, and it's disappointing that UF has fallen behind, but I don't blame Machen. It's a symptom of the bad economy hurting UF more, because of the budget cuts, since we're a public school. We'll rebound.

    Just lucky we have a real endowment, unlike a certain other state school that hasn't beaten us in football since 2001.
  • fallenchemistfallenchemist Posts: 12,658Super Moderator Senior Member
    Here is some data for you to chew on, just to show how bogus the USNWR system is. Yes, the rankings matter when people are ignorant as to how flawed they are and take them as gospel, which unfortunately many do.

    UC Davis, ranked #39

    CR SAT (25th-75th%): 520-630
    15% of students below the national average

    U Miami

    CR SAT (25th-75th%): 570-680
    6% of students below the national average

    U Florida

    CR SAT (25th-75th%): 560-670
    1% of students below the national average

    For good measure

    Tulane

    CR SAT (25th-75th%): 630-720
    1% of students below the national average

    I admit that I took CR because it is the most dramatic, but writing about the same, math a little better, but the totals are well less than these other schools. Also the ACT is significantly less. I know test scores are just a piece of the picture, but come on! #39 with those scores?? UCSB and UC Irvine not much better picture.

    Someone tell me how a school that has that many students below the national average is a top 40 institution. Also please tell me how it can rank above a school (Tulane) where its 75th% score is barely more than Tulane's 25th% score. Yeah, those college counselors and the others really know their stuff. UC Davis Counselor rating: 4.2; Tulane 4.0; Miami 3.8; Florida 3.8. Does anyone else think there is something that smells really bad here?

    I also noticed on the UC Davis data set that 100% of their students were in the top 10% of their class!!!!!!!! RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! Makes you wonder what else they fudge.
  • AnythingToSayAnythingToSay Posts: 560Registered User Member
    ^^ Maybe they put that 100% of students in the top 10% were in the top 10%.
  • fallenchemistfallenchemist Posts: 12,658Super Moderator Senior Member
    LOL, surely not.
  • Koolgecko91Koolgecko91 Posts: 59Registered User Junior Member
    The UCali system has consistently been ranked as the best public system in the US. Berkley? That's a public school. And with the UC system, you can only apply to one, so probably the entire school is top 10%. I, personally, do not care about rankings because it is the reputation of the school that carries you further. UF has a lot of southern regional influence. We'll rebound in the rankings, though.
  • gpowsanggpowsang Posts: 833Registered User Member
    if you plan on working in the state of florida after graduation, you have to be retarded to take that ranking into consideration when making a decision about where to go.

    truth10char
  • fallenchemistfallenchemist Posts: 12,658Super Moderator Senior Member
    Koolgecko91 - There is no way that the entire school is top 10%. If you even sketch out a few numbers regarding the kids that go to UCLA, Berkeley, privates, out of state, etc. the numbers just don't add up. It just defies common sense anyway. Even Berkeley is humble enough to say that 98% are from top 10%, and to mark it as an estimate. And their average SAT scores are way higher. So are UCLA's, and they say 97%.

    Sure, I could invent scenarios where it comes out that the kids that go to Davis happen to be in the top 10%. I can also write sci-fi books.
  • Sharath192Sharath192 Posts: 128Registered User Junior Member
    No hate for the UF parents that are a little upset but I remember when I came on this forum during application time US News was constantly used to compare UM, FSU and UF. I hate rankings too btw but I just find it funny. Also the rankings seem to have dropped because of the less weight placed on peer review?
  • dvm258dvm258 Posts: 1,062Registered User Senior Member
    I think this is karma for Machen's Peer-Assessment survey scandal last year, where he ranked every school in Florida other than UM and FSU either 1 or 2 out of 5. (And he gave both UM and FSU a 3.)

    I find it hilarious that all of the sudden everyone on here is screaming that rankings don't matter, while it was exactly the opposite when I was applying in 08.
  • gpowsanggpowsang Posts: 833Registered User Member
    I find it hilarious that all of the sudden everyone on here is screaming that rankings don't matter, while it was exactly the opposite when I was applying in 08.

    thats the funniest part about this thread. Wait till we go back up, then the attitude is going to bounce back.
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