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Old 07-12-2012, 11:14 PM   #16
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FRIB - The Most Powerful Heavy Ion Accelerator in the World

^^ With all due respect to MD Mom, perhaps your daughter is right in some instances, but to say that there is absolutely zero benefit to attend top research public schools or to downplay the significance of countless related career opportunities offer at MSU or UofM's Physics program is just as misleading imho.

Check out this MSU Physics Junior's summer internship with CERN

The State News :: MSU student plays part in new particle discovery

Or perhaps been exposed to MSU's state-of-the-art National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory (NSCL) as an undergrad as I did in my Introductory Physics Classes.

Three first-ever isotopes created at NSCL

Three first-ever isotopes created at NSCL - YouTube

Relics of the Big Bang - Facility For Rare Isotope Beams @ MSU

Relics of the Big Bang - Facility For Rare Isotope Beams @ MSU - YouTube

Michigan State University ATLAS Group

Michigan State University Atlas Group Home Page

MSU's decades long involvement with Cern

Cern | MSU Research

Facility for Rare Isotope Beams - MSU

Facility for Rare Isotope Beams - MSU - YouTube

just to list a few..
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:29 AM   #17
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It's debatable because to get into a good graduate program, you have to have research experience, and would not get the kind of small classes like at a smaller LAC. I think it would depend on what opportunities for research are available at the schools you are looking at. I know that some research is done in groups- Professors, graduate students, undergrads, and they meet frequently to discuss the project. I don't know how this can be done from a small LAC- one would have to ask.
I know of one young man who did not have the finances to go to a 4 year program, so he did 2 years of CC and then transferred to a major university program. However, this CC offered the advanced math and science classes he needed- as well as some exposure to research and other areas. This person was exceptional- won awards and so on. In this case I don't think the decision hurt him, but he clearly had high ability and was in one of those situations where he did not get much financial aid and chose to save money.
I do think the quality of teaching helps with being prepared and also the physics GRE. So one would really need to look at what is available at a particular school. IMHO physics research/engineering is very challenging and competitive and the best candidates can and do achieve in a research university. The top physics universities are very competitive, and attending one of them would be desirable- and you need to do well in them regardless of the focus of the professors.

I am not a physicist, ( I am a mom ) but know students who are in physics.

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Old 07-13-2012, 08:51 AM   #18
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Yup, most LACs do not have a Planetarium on campus if you are into the study of Astrophysics. MSU's renown Abrams Planetarium is right across from its Cyclotron facility.

PictureNinja.com - Picture of Abrams Planetarium

Abrams Planetarium

Research Universities and the Future of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caegmeSbgqk&feature=plcp

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:04 AM   #19
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Perhaps students could get their research in through summer programs. FWIW, my daughter is now an applied math major with a minor in physics. I think she felt as though her physics profs were not great teachers and this obviously could be only at her university and not widespread. Thank you to other more experienced people for chiming in.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:49 PM   #20
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Yes, she can. The programs are competitive but qualified females are very much considered as they are under represented in physics. Many college programs have summer research opportunities for undergraduates. She would need letters of recommendation so I suggest she ask her physics department. Applications for next summer would probably be do around January.

Nobody is disputing that MSU is a top program, but a lot of research groups have connections to centers such as CERN, Oak Ridge, and so on and many of those groups collaborate. It is a competitive field. However, people have succeeded from many places:
William & Mary -*A Matter of Timing: Student Aces Physics GRE

WM is a top university with its own facilities, but also with connections to the Jefferson Lab.

So again, to OP, apply to MSU. UM is excellent too and you have been advised by someone on this thread that UM is out of your reach, fair enough, but beyond MSU, look at the physics departments of other schools you are considering to see what they offer as far as research goes, and yes, also summer opportunities... and study as much as possible for the physics GRE. Many schools place a lot of emphasis on that as it is a standardized measure of what you have learned.

I think the instruction varies in all universities- good and bad teachers. The ones that succeed, succeed no matter what. It's great to have a good teacher, but the top physics grad students have succeeded where they are.

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