atomicfusion

I like Michigan. Their loss to Ohio State propelled us into the national championship.

uofmhopeful

rofl u dont really go to osu...

amwitkowski

mastert tang

If you search the web, several articles indicate it's 40%.

amwitkowski

Sorry, my message was incomplete

OOS is 40%. Although I cannot confirm, I think I have read in-state is 60-65%.

atomicfusion

rofl I live in Ohio and have been a Buckeyes fan all my life

Alexandre

I think those numbers are a couple of years old, when Michigan was accepting over 50% of its applicants. I doubt the in-state acceptance rate is much over 50% at the moment. The out-of state acceptance rate is probably not far from the 40% range tough. But like I said, the University does not publish the exact numbers. I wish they did.

gchris07

Michigan's big weakness: contributions to society (at least in terms of Rhodes Scholars, Fullbright Scholars, NCAA Post-graduates)
Here are some revealing numbers
UMich has produced 25 Rhodes Scholars, the same number as The University of the South (a school with a TOTAL undergrad population of 1700). UMich has the most alumni of any school in the world, yet they can't top Sewanee, a school with 1/10 UMich's endowment and 1/6 their population, for Rhodes Scholars produced.

Note: Comparable publics UC Berkely and UNC-Chapel Hill have produced well over 40 Rhodes Scholars.

gchris07

Addendum to last post: UNC and Berkely have a significantly smaller enrollment than does UMich...(UNC Freshman enrollment: 3800, UC Berkely Freshman enrollment: 4000, UMich: 6000+)

Alexandre

Gchris, first of all, Michigan has produced more Fullbright scholars than any other university.

Secondly, one cannot judge a school based on the number of Rhodes and Marshal schoolars it has produced. Over the course of 100 years, no school (other than H,P and Y) has produced more than 75 Rhodes Scholars or 50 Marshall scholars...out of tens if not hundreds of thousands of alums. For one thing, that's too small a ratio, regardless of the number of scholars a school may have produced or how small that school hapens to be. Sewanee has produced 25 Rhodes scholars you say? Do you realize that Sewanee has graduated over 25,000 students since the Rhodes scholarship has been handed out? Michigan has produced 25, which is comparable to most top universities. And Cal has 21,000 undergrads, compared to Michigan's 25,000 undergrads. They are roughly the same size. UNC has 15,000 undergrads, so it is indeed smaller, but again, only a infinitisimally tiny fraction of a university's student body ever gets to win such awards that one cannot draw any conclusion from those statistics. One must remember that some schools push the Rhodes and Marshall scholarships far more aggressively than others.

gchris07

Michigan has over 400,000 alumni, the most of any school in the world (I believe). A good way to judge the intellectual breadth and depth of a school is to scrutinize the success and the recognition any of these alumni may have garnered. As we both stated, Michigan is deficient in producing widely known alumni (the only two that come to mind are Arthur Miller and the klutzy Gerald Ford).

It is one of many arbiters of how UMich molds its students to change the world. It speaks directly of the academic rigor of the school and the hand the faculty have in shaping their students intellectual growth. When a school brags about its great programs, faculty, and facilities and believes it should be ranked higher in USNews's rankings, it is important to recognize the drawbacks of the school, especially when that school has produced the fewest Marshall and Rhodes Scholars per capita in the top 35 of USNews's rankings (faculty-student interaction much?).

You are the moderator of this forum and a UMich grad. Eliminate your bias. You asked if "Michigan was weak in any way." I merely answered your question.

dstark

How about one of the founders of Google?

dvlfnfv5

The only two alumni you can think of are Arthur Miller and Gerald Ford?

Please, get out of here. Ridiculous.

gchris07

That's not the point of the post, that was merely to add emphasis. By the way, dstark, do you know what the name of that founder of Google is? No, just like you don't know the names of the founder of Domino's and Avis Rent-a-Car that both graduated from UMich. The point is that they don't produce many people who are recognized by name, and it is a problem that they have such a low per-capita of "extremely successful alumni," the lowest, in fact, of any elite public university.

No one doubts that the school has great undergraduate programs and is a top 30 university. I am merely answering the OP's thread by stating a weakness. Please eliminate your bias. Suffer a challenge. Experience enlightenment. No school is perfect, so UMich students and alums need to stop acting like their alma mater is flawless.

Alexandre

gchris, I get your point, but it isn't quite right. Like I said, Michigan has produced more Fullbright scholars than any university in the US. In terms of Rhodes Scholars and Marshall scholars, most elite universities save HYP have produced anywhere from 10-60 Rhodes schollars and between 10-30 Marshall Schollars. Those numbers are so fractional that they are impossible to interpret and like I said, some universities devote more time and resources to winning those awards. It's like the Nobel Prize or the Fields medal. 4 Michigan undergrads (that's not including another 4 or so who completed their graduate studies at Michigan) went on to win the Nobel Prize, which doesn't seem like much, until you consider that schools like Brown, Dartmouth and Duke have produced only 1 or 2. Michigan is one of just 7 or 8 US universities to have produced a Fields medalist.

What I fail to understand is what do Marshall and Rhodes scholars have to do with fame? You think Rhodes scholars are more famous than Larry Page? And if Arthur Miller and Gerald Ford are the only two Michigan products you can think of, then you probably haven't thought hard enough.

ATHLETES:
Brady, Tom
Dolan, Tom
Grbac, Elvis
Howard, Desmond
Hutchinson, Steve
Jeter, Derek
Jones, Dhani
Law, Ty
Phelps, Michael
Rice, Glen
Toomer, Amani
Webber, Chris
Woodson, Charles

ENTERTAINERS:
Blair, Selma
Iggy Pop
Jones, James Earl
Kasdan, Lawrence
Liu, Lucy
Madonna

INDUSTRIALISTS:
Go to the billionaire's post below.

We can definitely agree that Michigan isn't perfect, but it comes pretty close.

redhare317

gchris07, you never heard of Larry Page?