Alexandre

Hoedown, have you thought of running for some sort of political office?! LOL You are so polished and diplomatic...well, compared to me anyway, which granted, doesn't mean much! hehe

chaaand

hey alex!! i got into south quad! how are my fellow freshmen frm dubai progressing?

Alexandre

Congratulations on South Quad. Great dorm. The rest of the UAE freshmen are coming along nicely. There will be 9 of you this year...out of 19 who were admitted. I intend to get all of you guys together...after my honeymoon! Now that's dedication if I ever saw it! hehe

Mr Payne

I'd give the nod to Cal over UM solely because of the strength in Engineering/Science. Student caliber is tilted decisively in Cal's favor, IMO.

GoBlue81

Decisively? Do you have any data to back up your claims?

Mr Payne

Nothing of the sort, it does tie into the strength in Engineering/Science though.

samwise

Berkeley:
Average GPA: 3.90
Average SAT: 1324

Michigan:
Average GPA: 3.72
Average ACT: 28 ~ SAT 1250

GoBlue81

I don't know where you got your data. Here's what Michigan posted on its official website:

Profiles of the freshman class of 2005 (enrolled):
> mid-50% SAT range: 1240-1400 (single sitting)
> mid-50% UW GPA: 3.6-3.9
> 22% with a 4.0 GPA
> 44.4% with 3.9 or higher GPA

Stats for engineering school (admitted) is a bit higher:
> median UW GPA: 3.8
> median SAT: 1380
> median ACT: 30

Michigan just posted the stats for the class of 2006 (http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html):

> mid-50% SAT: CR 610-720; Math 650-760
> mid-50% UW GPA: 3.7-4.0
> 28% with a 4.0 UW GPA
> 52% with 3.9 or higher UW GPA

GoBlue81

UCB 2005 Freshman Profile (students.berkeley.edu/admissions/freshmen.asp):

Avg SAT I scores (mid-50%): CR 590-710; Math 630-740
Avg UW GPA: 3.82

Decisively better?

GoBlue81

Anyone in the engineering business will tell you that Michigan and UCB are peers in engineering. And it's been that way even if you go back 30-40 years ago.

UCB does have an edge in basic sciences. However, there are few schools that are in the same caliber in sciences.

On the other hand, Michigan excels in a number of areas ... like in health and medical disciplines (hence biomedical and live science), music, architecture.

Mr Payne

"Anyone in the engineering business will tell you that Michigan and UCB are peers in engineering. And it's been that way even if you go back 30-40 years ago."

I am aware of the public perception of both Cal & UMich.

samwise

GoBlue, my numbers, except for Michigan ACT, were from princeton review. Yours obviously trump them as far as reliability goes.

Adelphia

data-crunchers, take note:

(approximate) avg. UM SAT, freshman class yr. 2000, 1280 (source: "Early Admissions Game")

avg. SAT 2004 1305 (SAT Web site 12/14/05)

avg. SAT 2005 1320 (GoBlue81, on this thread)

avg SAT 2006 1370 ( M + CR, UM admissions fast facts)

also, please note the 47% acceptance rate for the '06 freshman class.


p.s. CC proofreaders, please correct the "anyway" in this thread's title to "any way." To read: Is Michigan weak in any way?

dstark

Adelphia, can you provide a link for the 2006 numbers?

Adelphia

http://www.admissions.umich.edu/fastfacts.html
for 2006 admissions numbers at UM

if the above doesn't work, go to the U-M undergrad admissions Web site > fast facts.