Is Michigan weak in any way? - Page 8

M4gici4n · 08-08-2006, 05:59 AM

It was awesome to see a state school with such excellent academics such as U of M. Before I heard about UM, I thought it was just a typical public state school. Its amazing how almost every major is in the top 20, most being in the top 10. I also love how UM is so huge, yet its class sizes are quite small.

MatthewM04 · 08-10-2006, 05:09 PM

I think the biggest weakness Michigan has is the financial aid -- they're a public school so merit aid is at a minimum and for out-of-staters it's quite rare.

reeses414 · 08-10-2006, 05:51 PM

I hear that the financial aid for oos is horrible. However (so everyone knows), the financial aid given to in-staters is good as Michigan serves the state of Michigan. For example, Michigan has been able to meet my financial need (determined by FAFSA) every year so far, and yes, some of it has been grants, which I don't need to repay. (However, I also received outside scholarships, MEAP money, MET, etc. so I wouldn't have to rely solely on Michigan for help. That would have been too risky. As of now, it's looking as if I will be able to finish my undergraduate studies at Michigan without needing to take out loans. Hopefully, that will become a reality.) If you're in-state and need aid, then you may be in luck. I'll admit that it's a shame that the oos can't receive the same help as we do.

Alexandre · 08-10-2006, 11:13 PM

Great point Matthew. The University of Michigan doesn't provide much aid for out of staters and absolutely no aid for international students. I hope as our endowment grows, the University will start looking into giving more aid out to deserving students. I don't see it happening soon, but it will happen.

M4gici4n · 08-11-2006, 08:15 AM

"absolutely no aid for international students"

*commits suicide*

chi.lee · 08-12-2006, 07:51 PM

how is umich w/ pharmacy.
better than rutgers?

Alexandre · 08-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Michigan is very good in Pharmacy, ranked among the top 5 nationally. Only UCSF and maybe UT-Austin have more highly regarded Pharmacy schools. Although Rutgers is located in New Jersey, along with the headquarters of such pharmaceutical giants such as J&J, Pfizer and BMS, it does not have such a highly regarded pharmacy school.

Alexandre · 08-12-2006, 10:12 PM

Come on M4gici4n, your sister goes to Michigan. You must have known that the university does not provide aid money (merit or need-based) to international students.

redhare317 · 08-12-2006, 10:20 PM

My unbiased opinion:

Are you from NJ? The only people who will tell you that Rutgers pharmacy is the best in the nation are the people who live in NJ. It's actually not highly regarded elsewhere. It's a good school, and as Alexandre mentioned, J&J is located right in New Brunswick. I think it's best if you want to stay in NJ for work (which is very likely for retail pharmacy). Then getting a pharmacy job in NJ will be NO problem, and you'll get some recognition. But I don't think you should get into the NJ Rutgers pharmacy hype that everyone here in NJ seems to have. I have nothing against it, though. My sister goes there. It has an extremely tough curriculum, no doubt. Many people get in but don't end up graduating. Tough stuff.

A conflict: Rutgers in-state tuition vs Michigan's out-of-state tuition. As I said, if you're going for a Walgreens job in NJ, Rutgers will be perfect, and it's a good deal.

Alexandre · 08-12-2006, 11:07 PM

On a side note, do you guys realize that Walgreens' founded is a Michigan alum! Hehe!!!

M4gici4n · 08-13-2006, 07:45 AM

Well alexandre, I knew that international aid was iffy for any college, but I didn't know UM doesnt give aid to int'l students AT ALL. My sister got a scholarship anyway, so its no so bad :P
But for me... :O

A2Wolves6 · 08-13-2006, 04:42 PM

Fight song Top 25

Bill Studwell, author of "College Fight Songs: An Annotated Anthology," ranks these as the top 25 university fight songs:

1. "Notre Dame Victory March," University of Notre Dame.
2. "The Victors," University of Michigan.
3. "On Wisconsin," University of Wisconsin.
4. "Down the Field," Yale University.
5. "Anchors Aweigh," U.S. Naval Academy.
6. "Stein Song," University of Maine.
7. "Fight on USC," University of Southern California.
8. "Ramblin' Wreck From Georgia Tech," Georgia Institute of Technology.
9. "The Eyes of Texas," University of Texas.
10. "Across the Field," Ohio State University
11. "Minnesota Rouser," University of Minnesota
12. "Indiana, Our Indiana," Indiana University
13. "Illinois Loyalty," University of Illinois
14. "Washington & Lee Swing," Washington and Lee University, Lexington, Va.
15. "Stand Up and Cheer," University of Kansas.
16. "Boomer Sooner," University of Oklahoma.
17. "Glory, Glory to Old Georgia," University of Georgia.
18. "The U.S. Air Force Song," U.S. Air Force Academy
19. "Semper Paratus," U.S. Coast Guard Academy.
20. "Clemson Fight Song," Clemson University.
21. "Down the Field," University of Tennessee (same as Yale)
22. "On Brave Old Army Team," United States Military Academy
23. "Huskie Fight Song," Northern Illinois University.
24. "Far Above Cayuga's Waters," Cornell University
25. "Our Director March," Harvard and Rice universities

chi.lee · 08-13-2006, 04:49 PM

i am from jersey actually.
my parents are pushing rutgers pharm but i dont want to stay in-state.

redhare317 · 08-13-2006, 06:35 PM

I think you should compare costs first since you are deciding between two publics, one as an in-stater and one as an out-of-stater. If cost doesn't matter, then go with whatever choice you think will make you happy. Michigan's pharmacy program is a program you have to apply to from the LSA. It isn't something you get into from HS right away, so if you're set on pharmacy, Rutgers is a safe choice. And people in NJ will recognize Rutgers pharmacy. For research positions in industrial pharmacy (like in Pfizer, J&J, etc.), you'll also get recognition. Pharmacy is one of those fields where the school you went to isn't all that important. If you get a Pharm.D, you get a Pharm.D, and that's all that matters for the most part. However, I kind of get the feeling that Asians are the ones who really promote all the RU pharmacy hype. I don't know too many non-Asians who really give as much credit to it as we do. (I'm Asian.) If you really want to move out to another state but not too far away, you can look at St. Johns, which prepares students mainly for retail positions.

I've been to Rutgers. I don't think New Brunswick is nearly as nice as AA, and the campus is too spread out over there.

Alexandre · 08-13-2006, 09:41 PM

Although one must apply to the Pharmacy school only once at the University of Michigan, admission is generally guaranteed if the student has taken the pre-requists and maintained a 3.0 GPA, so it isn't exactly that much of a risk.