aramin

I got waitlisted also, but got into NYU, going there. Also WL'd at Hopkins, Wash U, and Tufts.

3.7UW, 4.1 W
1950 SAT
Mid 600s SAT 2s
Won largest student film festival in the nation
Congressional intern, multiple jobs thorughout high school
Study abroad for 2 months, and I speak spanish and am studying chinese.

I applied ER, got deferred, and now this. Well, i'm going to a better school for me anyway, where the hell are the internships in Ann Arbor? i'd much prefer working for the UN, or for an IBank in NYC.

CCRunner123

I think everyone has this misconception that Michigan is easy to get into, a safety. And, when they don't get in, they get all ****ed and start bashing the school. You don't see people who get rejected from Harvard or Princeton saying, "Oh, this school sucks, I'm glad I'm going somewhere else."

GoBlue81

Why would you assume that you have to intern in the same city where you go to college?

Here's a sample of where Michigan BBA students interned at. I doubt if any (except may be GM) of these are located in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area:

J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. 13
Deutsche Bank AG 12
Credit Suisse Group 12
UBS AG 11
Citi 9
Lehman Brothers Inc. 9
PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP 9
Ernst & Young LLP 9
American Express Company 8
Plante & Moran, PLLC 7
Dell, Inc. 5
Microsoft Corporation 5
The Bear Stearns Companies Inc 5
Goldman, Sachs & Co. 5
Morgan Stanley 5
A.T. Kearney, Inc. 4
S.C. Johnson & Son, Inc. 4
Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc. 4
General Motors Corporation 4
Jefferies & Company, Inc. 4
The Royal Bank of Scotland plc 4
Kraft Foods Inc. 3
General Electric Company 3
Intel Corporation 3
Huron Consulting Group 3

Alexandre

I agree CCRunner. Many people apply to Michigan assuming that they will be among the 40%-50% that are admitted. What they fail see is that even with those lofty acceptance rates, Michigan still manages to be one of the most selective universities in the country.

keefer

I think there is also a misconception that Michigan is an entirely numbers based admissions system, and people with certain stats expect to get in, but if you look at the waitlist thread, this is obviously not the case. Many of the people waitlisted are saying that they were going to go somewhere else anyways, maybe the admissions office detected this in their application essays...

4aces4elsie

So do we think the fact that my son hasn't heard yet means he's rejected? Online it says his decision is in the mail.

rodney

CC: I don't think that the misconception is based on the "safety" idea....I think the misconception is based upon the overall acceptance rate: IMO, UMich would be much better perceived if they distributed the IS and OOS stats....UVa does it; you don't see anyone bashing them for admissions practices...(I can only imagine how low the OOS rate would be...certainly not the 40-50% posted on CB)

That way, people would see how ridiculously hard it is to be admitted from OOS and how hard it is to be admitted from schools with grade deflation....Yea, I know the process is supposedly "holistic", but the stats do not lie (neither does the CDS).....It is still extremely unlikely to be admitted OOS with less than a 3.75 UMich GPA......even if you are at the top of your class with regard to class rank......There will be a select few who defy those stats, but the majority do not.....

I expect that there will be those who dispute what I propose, but, in reality, it would stop the so-called "bashing".....

Alexandre

"Many of the people waitlisted are saying that they were going to go somewhere else anyways, maybe the admissions office detected this in their application essays..."

Very good point Keefer. If an applicant submits his/her application late or filled in sloppily, it is a sign that the applicant does not respect the university. That can definitely count against them.

stone2525

Has anybody heard of someone being accepted and hearing by mail without their Wolverine Access site being updated first?

GoBlue81

rodney,

Kinda surprise you use UVa as a counter example. The admission practices at UVa are very similiar to Michigan's ... without the rolling admission.

For UVa, you have to submit before Jan 2 and you won't get an answer until April 1. Even if you submit early in Oct or Nov, you still won't hear back until April 1. You get no indication from the university in between. Nobody complains about that as you know going in that's the way it's gonna be. Expection is managed.

Despite UVa being somewhat more selective, the stats are about the same (UVa: 1220-1420 88% top 10; Michigan: 1210-1420 90% top 10).

UVa only releases the admission rates for in-state and OOS but not the stats. The only thing you know is that for in-state: out of 7090 applied, 47% were admitted; whereas for OOS: 10708 applied and 27% were admitted. From this, you can only deduce that OOS is more competitive ... but you don't know for sure what kinda of stats will get you in the ballpark.

And what do you know about Michigan? You know that there were about 45% more applications from OOS for half the spots. Wouldn't you expect OOS admission to be far more competitive?

About Michigan putting too many people on waitlist. Guess what... out of 17798 applicants, UVa admitted 6273(35%) and put 4130(23%) on the waitlist.

So ask yourself this question - why would you be better off with UVa?

aamir19

@CCrunner123
Why do you think there will be so many this year?

Alexandre

And UVa superscores the SAT if I recall.

taav_2

I certainly didn't consider Michigan a "safety" school when I applied. I'm just kicking myself for not applying earlier (I finished the app on Jan 21). With a 1460 (2180 w/ writing) SAT and a 4.0 GPA, I thought I'd be okay, especially because other people on this board were saying that people who applied with much lower stats on the day of the deadline got in last year.

dietcoke14

i didn't mean to sound so bitter/cocky.

i guess from hearing about other people at my school with lower/similar stats than me, i thought i'd have a good chance at getting into michigan. and as for the "better schools thing" i think it's true in the areas im interested in (journalism and english).

i think that many top schools do practice "tufts syndrome" including WUSTL and JHU and U MICH.

being waitlisted just feels so bad because i'd rather just have them reject me so that i know that i can just cross that school off of my list of colleges.

also, why would i lie about my stats?

gamerbach

Waitlisted
Out of state (from Wisconsin):
31 ACT (34 Math, 33 Science)
3.7
Applied to engineering - am debating between Minnesota (in-state tuition), and Purdue. Any opinions?