Predator

So, I read somewhere on the U of M site that Michigan is one of three schools in the nation with top ranked (as in like top 15 i think) medical, engineering, and business schools. What do you think the other two are? I'm pretty damn sure Stanford is one of them.

Who else?

keefer

probably Cornell. A lot of the other schools qualify for med and business, but it's hard to have engineering as well.

Predator

Really? Cornell medical school? I didn't know.

Alexandre

Michigan's 4 major professional programs (Business, Engineering, Law and Medicine) are ranked very high. That probably explains why Michigan is so prestigious in the "real world" and why its alums are among the wealthiest. It is important to remember that there is very little that separates the top 10 or top 15 programs.

TOP MBA PROGRAMS:
According to USNWR:
#1 Harvard University
#1 Stanford University
#3 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
#4 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#4 University of Chicago
#7 Dartmouth College (Amos Tuck)
#7 University of California-Berkeley (Haas)
#9 Columbia University
#10 New York University (Stern)
#11 University of California-Los Angeles (Anderson)
#12 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ross)
#13 Yale University
#14 Cornell University (Johnson)
#14 Duke University (Fuqua)
#14 University of Virginia (Darden)

According to BUSINESSWEEK:
#1 University of Chicago
#2 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
#3 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
#4 Harvard University
#5 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ross)
#6 Stanford University
#7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#8 University of California-Berkeley (Haas)
#9 Duke University (Fuqua)
#10 Columbia University
#11 Dartmouth College (Amos Tuck)
#12 University of Califirnia-Los Angeles (Anderson)
#13 Cornell University (Johnson)
#14 New York University (Stern)
#15 University of Virginia (Darden)

TOP GRADUATE ENGINEERING PROGRAMS:
#1 Massachusetts Instute of Technology
#2 Stanford University
#3 University of California-Berkeley
#4 Georgia Institute of Technology
#5 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
#6 California Institute of Technology
#7 Carnegie Mellon University
#7 University of Southern California
#9 Cornell University
#9 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
#11 University of California-San Diego
#11 University of Texas-Austin
#13 Texas-A&M University-College Station
#13 University of California-Los Angeles
#15 Purdue University-West Lafayette
#15 University of Wisconsin-Madison

TOP LAW SCHOOLS:
#1 Yale University
#2 Harvard University
#2 Stanford University
#4 Columbia University
#5 New York University
#6 University of California-Berkeley
#7 University of Chicago
#7 University of Pennsylvania
#9 Northwestern University
#9 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
#9 University of Virginia
#12 Cornell University
#12 Duke University
#14 Georgetown University

TOP MEDICAL SCHOOLS:
#1 Harvard University
#2 Johns Hopkins University
#3 Washington University-St Louis
#4 University of Pennsylvania
#5 University of California-San Francisco
#6 Duke University
#6 University of Washington
#8 Stanford University
#9 University of California-Los Angeles
#9 Yale University
#11 Columbia University
#11 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
#13 Baylor University
#14 University of California-San Diego
#14 University of Pittsburgh

Sachmoney

So basically Michigan rocks at everything.

Alexandre

Basically, yes. In terms of its graduate programs, particularly professional programs and the Social Sciences, Michigan is hard to beat. In Law, only Harvard and Yale, maybe Stanford are considered better. In Medicine, generally speaking, only Harvard and JHU are considered better. In Business, only Harvard, Wharton, Kellogg and Stanford are considered better. In Engineering, only MIT, Cal, Caltech and Stanford are considered better. So Michigan is arguably top 5 in each of the four major professional prgrams and has been ranked among the top 5 in recent years.

According to the USNWR:

Michigan law was ranked as high as #2 back in the late 80s
Michigan MBA was ranked as high as #4 back in the mid 90s
Michigan Medicine was ranked as high as #7 a couple of years ago
Michigan Engineering was ranked as high as #4 back in the mid 90s.

Sachmoney

For law, Yale, Harvard, and Stanford are superior. Columbia, and NYU are generally considered better now. Chicago and Berkeley are comparable to Michigan. Michigan Law is awesome though, the school is historic, and freaking sweet.

For business, I think Chicago is also considered better as well.

Regardless, Michigan is really awesome, particularly in fields that interest me. I am extremely excited about attending next fall.

Alexandre

I am not sure that NYU Law is better. The peer ratings according to academe and practicing judges seems to rate those two equally. Columbia may have a small edge though. Recruitment activity by the major firms certainly supports that. So congratulations on your full ride to Michigan Law. On a positive note, I understand Michigan is pushing hard to return to its past glory. There was a time when Michigan Law, along with Harvars and Yale law, was considered part of the "Law Trinity".

For Business, Chicago is arguably the strongest of the second group, which includes Sloan, Haas, Stern, Ross, Chicago, Columbia and maybe Tuck (Dartmouth).

Sachmoney

I don't have a full ride to the Law School. I'm a transfer student.

Tuck gets mixed ratings. Some rate it high, some rate it low. It's interesting to see.

Alexandre

Tuck is very much a networking program. It has incredible connections to certain industries, particularly to the financial services (VC, PE, IBanking) and consulting industries. I agree that it is the weakest of the top 10 MBA programs.

Sachmoney

Well, I figure an MBA is just a networking opportunity/career advancement degree anyway. It's just BS in my opinion. I don't think I'll learn anything new when I go for my MBA. It'll be to network and to advance in whatever I choose to do.

Alexandre

That's exactly correct Sachmoney. A MBA is a networking opportunity, both internally (with fellow MBA students) and externally (the MBA program with industry). Top MBA programs attract the best students so that they may develop lasting relationships and the best companies (through long term relationships with industry).

What is actually taught at most MBA programs does not vary that much.

cherokeejew

Berkeley may not have a medical school, but but it has joint degrees and many research connections with UCSF (a top 5 medical school).

Even though I'm going to Michigan Law, I have to admit it's slipped behind NYU, in terms of faculty and student quality (its storied history means a bit of a lag in reputation). It's also been behind HYSCC for a while. However, I'd say it's still a bit above Berkeley and Penn (but within the same tier, as it is with UVA), whatever the current rankings say. Northwestern is a tier below.

But yes, Michigan rocks at pretty much everything: United States National Research Council Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alexandre

Chirokeejew, I am not a lawyer, so my insight is based on the information I have collected from various sources. I think there are seven Law schools that are separated by very little. Those are Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Chicago, Michigan and NYU, in my opinion in that order. They fluctuate over time of course. Twenty years ago, Michigan would have been considered among the top three. Today, I agree that it is probably one of the weakest of those seven. UVa, Cal and Penn are next, followed closely by GT, Duke, Cornell and NU.

All in all, those 14 Law Schools are considered the cream of the crop.

But as you say, it does not end there. Michigan is extremely strong in the Humanities and Social Sciences. It is also strong in the sciences and has top 5 programs in Nursing, Architecture, Music, Pharmacy, Health Services Administration, Public Health, Public Affairs and Social Work.

In short, Michigan isn't weak in anything.

Alexandre

Cool link. Supposedly, Michigan Law has produced the second (only to Harvard) highest number of current General Counsels of Fortune 500 companies. If you adjust for size of Law program, Michigan actually ties Harvard! Go Blue!

Where The Fortune 500 GCs went to Law School