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engineering acceptance rate?

Lbtg47Lbtg47 Posts: 411Registered User Member
Undergraduate
% Offered Admission: 77%
http://www.engin.umich.edu/about/studentprofile.html


am i misreading that or does the school of engineering at umich have a 77 percent acceptance rate? it has a higher acceptance rate than LSA(around 53%) yet ranks top 5 in the nation for most categories of engineering? what gives?
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  • MatthewM04MatthewM04 Posts: 699Registered User Member
    For the University of Michigan as a whole:

    Acceptance rate: 62%
    ACT composite (mid-50%): 26-30
    SAT (mid-50%): roughly 1210-1400
    Average GPA: 3.8 (if I remember correctly)

    The College of Engineering applicants are self-selective (people don't apply that aren't stellar students). The median ACT is 29, median SAT is 1330, median GPA is 3.9. Notice all these stats are above that of the rest of the university, which also contributes to the higher acceptance rate. That's why it's important not to judge everything by looking at the numbers. It's easier to get into LS&A than Engineering.
  • Lbtg47Lbtg47 Posts: 411Registered User Member
    hm, thanks. interesting post.

    my last question. if the numbers dont represent the selectivity accurately then how much harder is it to get into engineering than LSA?

    what schools would be comparable to umich engineering as far as selectivity is concerned? cornell? cmu? uiuc?

    im either going to be a physics major or go to engineering if i can get accepted to a well-regarded school such as umich engeering but i do not want to risk being rejected from engineering and not getting into umich at all.

    what to do
  • hoedownhoedown Posts: 3,751Registered User Senior Member
    The engineering applicant pool isn't deep (hence the high acceptance rate), but it doesn't have to be because the overall calibre of applicant is quite high. Applicants tend to be well-qualified.
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
    Cornell, CMU, UIUC are all more selective than Umich engineering, but to different degrees. However, that is only judging by SAT scores (or at least how I remember them). Umich may be more selective than CMU if you apply from out of state. UIUC's average is a 1377, CMU a 1387.
    Georgia Tech, judging by SAT (1339) is comparable.
    Other schools to consider: Purdue, Wisconsin, UTexas, Rose Hulman, RPI, Penn State.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Posts: 21,669Super Moderator Senior Member
    Asherm, Cornell and CMU are indeed slightly more selective. On the other hand, UIUC isn't.
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
    A 47 point difference in SAT scores leads me to believe that UIUC is slightly more selective. Thus, UIUC is closer to CMU than Michigan.
    UIUC overall, ie not engineering, is definitely less selective.

    Everyone else is free to make their own judgements.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Posts: 21,669Super Moderator Senior Member
    Ashrm, I have not seen any document that states that the mean SAT score of Illinosi Engineers is 1380. The Illinois website says that the mean ACT score for entering Engineers was 28 for the freshman class of 2004. That's similar to Michigan's (29).

    http://www.engr.uiuc.edu/about/facts.php
  • samwisesamwise Posts: 606Registered User Member
    Perhaps the 1380 is a specific engineering field, like electrical. I remember I once a chart of all majors and gpas/acts, which I've been looking for but haven't been able to find.
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
    http://www.oar.uiuc.edu/staff/systems/qdr/reports/FreshmanProfile_Fall2004.pdf

    Last page. samwise, I think this is what you are referring to.
    I hate it when schools bury their freshmen profile in their website.

    What is HSPR? High School P Report? Is that another name for GPA?

    Did UIUC change its admissions policies from previous years? There is huge fluctuation in the number of minorities and whites.
  • AlexandreAlexandre Posts: 21,669Super Moderator Senior Member
    I stand corrected. It would indeed seem that UIUC Engineering is slightly more selective than Michigan's COE.
  • samwisesamwise Posts: 606Registered User Member
    Not sure ashernm. What's interesting about UIUC admissions is that if your numbers are high enough, you're admitted by a computer without anyone ever seeing your application. Glad I didn't devote time to their essays.

    Thanks for the profile. The one I'd seen before was even more detailed though; you could see stats by major. (For example, Aerospace engineering.) It came up when I started my application last year (they do that to discourage people with low stats from applying).
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
    " if your numbers are high enough, you're admitted by a computer without anyone ever seeing your application. Glad I didn't devote time to their essays."
    How do you know this? It's unfair to judge from just your own app. Did you read that on their website?
    "(they do that to discourage people with low stats from applying)."
    Not to argue with you, but why would they want that? If someone is an easy reject, thats an easy $30 , and it lower its acceptance rate.

    Their campus-wide honors program is very selective (top 125/7200 freshmen) but their departmental honors program is not too selective. For engineering, it requires only, at a minimum, a 1440 SAT or 33 ACT or top 1% of your classes.
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
    Try these, courtesy of a poster in the UIUC forum:

    http://www.oar.uiuc.edu/prospective...tml#selectivity

    http://www.oar.uiuc.edu/prospective...ramrequire.html

    http://www.princetonreview.com/coll...=1023436<ID=1

    Interesting note: Bioengineering looks insanely competitve, with a 1480-1600 SAT percentiles, and only 25 students. Biotech careers seem way overhyped (unless of course these kids are premed).
    The rest of the engineering disciplines are 1270-1480. They probably do not admit by intended major and admit at the college level instead.
  • ashernmashernm Posts: 986Registered User Member
  • samwisesamwise Posts: 606Registered User Member
    "How do you know this? It's unfair to judge from just your own app. Did you read that on their website?"

    Since I'm from Illinois there were a lot of people in my school that applied. You can track the application status online, and for me and other people with high stats, it instantly changed from waited for materials to accepted, while for others with lower stats it said "in manual review" or something like that for quite a while.

    Here are a couple of threads on the UIUC board that talk about it-
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=29548
    http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=26931

    It's possible that I'm wrong but I'm almost certain that they do have a computer admit a lot of people. This ties in a lot with your next question:

    "Not to argue with you, but why would they want that? If someone is an easy reject, thats an easy $30 , and it lower its acceptance rate."

    A few years ago U of I decided to publish all test score averages and GPA averages and not take the route that many universities were taking (to encourage poor applicants with almost no chance of admission to apply). This was to save money and going through way to many applications, and maybe to be honest with applicants also.

    "Interesting note: Bioengineering looks insanely competitve, with a 1480-1600 SAT percentiles, and only 25 students. Biotech careers seem way overhyped (unless of course these kids are premed)."

    UIUC just started their bioengineering program last year I think (maybe the year before that), which probably explains why it was competitive. Though in the current issue of US News their department is ranked last (which is to be expected since it's brand new).

    Thanks for the link (so that's where it was hiding :) ).
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