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Newfound Hope for OOS applying to UNC Chapel Hill

patriotsfan13patriotsfan13 Posts: 129Registered User Junior Member
I know many people on here are saying that many of us from out-of-state have very low if any chance at all if we have SAT scores lower than 1400. However, from what I have found online, many out of staters actually have scored in the 1300s and sometimes even lower and been accepted to UNC Chapel Hill this past year. The link is below and according to the graph 26.6% of out of staters scored in the 1300s on their SAT and even 17% scored in the 1200s. And there is no way that all of those people were minors or scholarship athletes. So take a look, and maybe there isn't a reason to think admissions is impossible at UNC OOS, just competitive.

First-Year Undergraduate Student Profile, Fall 2009 - Office of Institutional Research and Assessment
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Replies to: Newfound Hope for OOS applying to UNC Chapel Hill

  • OMRodriguezOMRodriguez Posts: 43Registered User Junior Member
    Thank you...this makes me feel so much better.
  • patriotsfan13patriotsfan13 Posts: 129Registered User Junior Member
    same with me..i didnt score in the 1400s and am OOS and have a lot of other stuff to offer though..sometimes i feel that people on this forum can overestimate how difficult it is to get into certain schools..i mean dont get me wrong..18% only for OOS makes it very competitive but not impossible
  • heyitslauriebethheyitslauriebeth Posts: 385Registered User Member
    athletes are actually counted as in state, so there's no way they're in with the OOS statistics.

    good luck to all of you (:
  • TestifyTestify Posts: 30Registered User Junior Member
    Wait, why are athletes counted as in-state?
  • patriotsfan13patriotsfan13 Posts: 129Registered User Junior Member
    to answer the question, athletes are counted as instate for tuition purposes (if they have to pay any), but they are counted for OOS for statistics reported
  • TonyBallioniTonyBallioni Posts: 383Registered User Member
    Because it is cheaper for UNC to pay the in-state tuition for an athlete, and because you don't want to fill up the 18% that you can take OSS with athletes, so that you have to turn down more qualified individuals.
  • heyitslauriebethheyitslauriebeth Posts: 385Registered User Member
    think about all the athletes at UNC - basketball, football, soccer, etc. my mom gave me a number of how many students at UNC are athletes, i don't remember it, but it's fairly big. not too many of those athletes come from NC. if those athletes were counted as out of state, then there would be next to no room for other OOS students to be in that 18 percent.
  • knkdancerknkdancer Posts: 10Registered User New Member
    patriotsfan13, you give us OOSers such hope! Thanks for the statistics, they make me feel better!
  • TestifyTestify Posts: 30Registered User Junior Member
    I don't understand how 21.6% of students are out-of-state public school graduates, but only 18.3% of the student body is out-of-state. I guess this means that they counted the athletes as out-of-state in the school background category but did not do so in the other categories.

    At the same time, I can't imagine that an out-of-state student could make it into UNC with a SAT score in the 900s-1100s unless he were an athlete.
  • Ryan82Ryan82 Posts: 314Registered User Junior Member
    These statistics show the profiles of enrolled students, which are typically less than that of accepted students, so I don't think anyone should feel that confident about OOS admission in regards to these numbers.

    However, I also read somewhere the 18% OOS mandate does not apply to Morehead Scholars and recruited athletes, so it could be easier to get into UNC than typically advertised.
  • patriotsfan13patriotsfan13 Posts: 129Registered User Junior Member
    even if the stats are of enrolled students which can be less than accepted students, the numbers still show that a significant portion of the OOS people that enrolled have SAT scores under 1400.
  • corey91corey91 Posts: 902Registered User Member
    It's really neat to see real numbers (not %) of how many have gotten in with my sub-cc-standard scores.
  • packerfan89packerfan89 Posts: 474Registered User Member
    testify,

    All scholarship athletes and merit scholarship recipients (Robertson, Morehead, Carolina Scholars, Pogue Scholars, Johnston Scholars, etc) are considered in-state for tuition purposes. So the OOS cap of 18% is actually more like 20%.
  • eadadeadad Posts: 2,759Registered User Senior Member
    I don't want to burst anyone's bubbles here but it's important to clarify a few things lest too many get false hope.

    The administration at UNC has been trying unsuccessfully for years to get the OOS cap raised (it is mandated by state law) above the 18% level. About four years ago they discovered a loophole in the law that said that any student on a full scholarship could be considered in state for tuition purposes and it was then further interpreted to allow them to not be counted against the 18% OOS limit. However, on the other hand, their statistics ARE used to reflect profiles of OOS students so in fact, the lower SAT/GPA numbers that you are seeing DOES include recruited athletes as well as Moreheads, Robertsons, Carolina Scholars etc.

    When you consider that there are roughly 700 OOS students in each new freshman class plus approximately 150-175 athletes, the lower scores of many of those 150-175 can have a significant statistical impact on how the class profile looks despite the fact that the scores/GPAs of the Moreheads, Robertsons, and other named scholarship winners are helping to bring the profile up. Another thing to remember is that not all athletes are on full scholarship, many sports only offer partial scholarships so those students aren't included in this discussion which is why I am using 150-175 as a max total of athletes.

    The good news is that this change in interpretation has essentially opened up another 150-175 spots for OOS students that were not there before because they were taken by those athletes but don't be fooled into thinking that "unhooked" students with SATs in the 1300s are readily being accepted in great numbers especially if they are in the low 1300s.

    The bad news is that as the economy has weakened the number of OOS applicants has soared to record levels the last two years so the competition for those spots is even greater than in the past.

    UNC does have a holistic admissions process and as many have said, they are looking at the whole package with essays being a very important part of the process. UNC will always have a few statistical outliers in each class just like Yale and others do but there are only about 700 spots to fill so the competition for the most part is intense for those 700 or so spots.

    I'm sorry if I have caused any additional angst but I felt it important to clear up the misinformation/misinterpretation that was being put forth in a few of the other posts.

    Good luck to all waiting to hear.
  • Ryan82Ryan82 Posts: 314Registered User Junior Member
    Good post eadad, but you are incorrect when you assert

    "The bad news is that as the economy has weakened the number of OOS applicants has soared to record levels the last two years so the competition for those spots is even greater than in the past."

    This is untrue because as the economy weakens, OOS admission should be easier than past years.

    First, there is nothing to substantiate that the number "OOS applicants has soared to record levels". That rhetoric doesn't make sense because the number of EA applicants this year is about the same as last year and the year before.

    Additionally, because of the recession, less OOS students will be able to commit and enroll because of financial reasons, thus the yield rate will decrease. As the yield rate decreases, UNC have to admit more students to ensure the 18% OOS ratio.

    Moreover, as this Washington Post article notes

    "the top public universities -- the Chapel Hills, Ann Arbors and Berkeleys -- are moving to enroll larger numbers of out-of-state students, who pay higher tuition and therefore tend to be wealthier than in-state students.

    Amid recession, some college admissions policies look at students' wealth - washingtonpost.com

    Granted, while UNC is still hindered by the 18% OOS mandate, they are finding loopholes around this as you already noted. With declining endowments and budget deficits, full paying OOS students are looking much more attractive to public institutions.


    Basically, all I am trying to say is the recession will actually help OOS candidates rather than hurt them.

    I agree with the rest of your post, which seems to insinuate that these statistics portray OOS admission as easier than they actually are.
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