2009 admission statistics - Page 4

claremarie · 05-22-2009, 01:06 PM

Irish, I have to disagree on the teaching issue. My husband is a top research professor who was lured to ND to help jump-start a sagging department. He has always taught both graduate and undergraduate students, but the grad students at his previous university were several orders of magnitude better than the undergrads. The situation is reversed here, and he loves working with the undergraduates. He won several teaching awards at his previous university, and has never NOT taught at least one course per semester. He even taught a few undergrads last year in an unofficial course because they were so interested in a particular topic.
There are faculty who are great at research AND teaching. It's not impossible.

irish68178 · 05-22-2009, 07:30 PM

I am pretty sure I know who your husband is

and I am very glad that you both came to ND. You are absolutely right, there are faculty who can and do both, and I truly respect those who do. I hope I am one of those faculty members once I finish graduate school. However, I see many (my advisor included) who loathe teaching undergrads and wouldn't be willing to jump to ND because of the emphasis on undergraduate teaching. That being said, I think that is part of what makes Notre Dame special. It is part of the reason I never have regretted paying full tuition during my time there. I got a great education and opportunities I could not have received elsewhere because of professors like your husband who are willing to teach undergraduates and involve them in research. I think we can agree that there aren't many places that undergraduates have the research opportunities that they do at Notre Dame.

claremarie · 05-22-2009, 08:39 PM

One of ND's goals is to encourage more of its undergrads to consider PhD programs. So many talented graduates head straight for the professional schools because they are convinced (or their parents are convinced) that this is the key to professional success and personal happiness. And it is, for many students, but too many potentially great PhD candidates are being diverted into MBA/JD/MD tracks because they don't realize the rewards of an academic career, and the possibilities that are open to the best students. Improving the graduate programs is one way to give these undergrads a look at the possibilities -- they can take solid graduate-level courses, for example, or be part of a research team that includes graduate students.
And thanks -- we are both very glad to be here too!

hiamadey · 05-22-2009, 08:42 PM

Thats a lie...if it really was they will be better than berkeley but they are not

Lucidfighter · 05-27-2009, 11:14 PM

Better than berkeley in what?

CitricAcid · 05-27-2009, 11:29 PM

Just better.

hiamadey · 05-28-2009, 12:28 AM

I mean they will be way better than UC bERKELEY in their US NEWS RANKING but they are only a number ahead of them which proves that the admissions statistics is much lower

sabrina1 · 05-29-2009, 10:41 AM

Has there been any statement about admission stats, such as number granted admission compared to the number of those who will definitely be attending, average SAT scores, financial aid, etc..... Has this information been posted?

numbersguy · 07-01-2009, 04:15 PM

The first post shows the total admission statistics for 2009. Below are the 2009 early action numbers, with the 2008 number in ( ). Note, when compared to the total admission averages, the early action SAT and ACT numbers were not significantly higher. This should be welcome news for 2010 to those who get deferred or choose to wait for regular decision.

Apps: 3,884 (4,228)

Admits: 1,724 (1,519)

Defers: 660 (725)

SAT Avg: 1451 (1452)

ACT Avg: 32.9 (32.9)

Good luck to those applying in 2010.

rk33 · 07-01-2009, 04:17 PM

Why is Notre Dame's middle 50% so much higher than other schools like Duke and Stanford?

MiPerson80 · 07-01-2009, 10:10 PM

not good numbers for 2009, ND had less applicants apply for EA but accepted more. Since EA is not binding, and with the common application being used, they should have had more EA applicants.

CitricAcid · 07-01-2009, 11:08 PM

Oh no!!!!!

Greta · 07-01-2009, 11:08 PM

@Miperson: Give it a rest.

mose2014 · 07-02-2009, 12:17 AM

Yeah, I'm curious as to why ND's middle 50% ACT seems so much higher. I'd always thought I was more competitive at ND than say, Georgetown, but is that not true? I know admissions isn't all scores, but it seems like my 30 ACT really weighs me down at Notre Dame.

prius · 07-02-2009, 12:40 AM

ND is an incredibly competitive school, and no one should be surprised by the 50% range. I think that sometimes those in the Midwest forget that. Remember that anecdotal info from admissions indicates that fully 75% of all those who apply are "qualified." That tends to set the bar incredibly high, and moves admissions away from pure numbers and into the areas of character, passion, and excellence. Bottom line is that ND is not about getting in, or even graduating. It's about the people it sends out into the world four years later as products of academic excellence, strong Catholic identity, and compassionate stewards of the world around then.

By the way, MiPerson, you're an idiot.