CitricAcid

Well, he obviously knows a lot about Catholic schools and Notre Dame's 'limited freedom of speech'.

jasonpham

What precise, well-informed, and colorful commentary. Is it common practice at Stanford or just your own personal hobby to make unfounded claims and hasty generalizations ? And specifically as it pertains to Catholics, no less. Truly a tasteful showing.

toast eater

Can someone get Condi Rice to mediate this

deuspatriND

Notre Dame actually is by no means constrictive towards free speech. The ideals which you are harping on are the views of a consensus of the student and faculty bodies on campus. It's hard for a small group of, for example, pro-abortion, pro-execution, etc, etc, to have as visible of a voice as the pro-life, etc. groups. And most of this has to do with the ideologies of the University itself. As you said, it is a catholic institution, if someone had these views and feels uncomfortable or that their views are threatened, then they shouldn't have gone their to begin with or should transfer. You can't blame a school which has had ~160 years of these views just because it basis it fundamental teachings on a faith which has been around for nearly 2000 years.

For instance, when the obamanator came to speak at commencement - the U never quelled student input or disallowed criticism from alumni. They opened it and allowed dialogue on campus for it. Father Jenkins addressed some of the matters personally writing letters to alumni, including my parents/grandparents. they did as widely shown on Fox News, disrupt potential protest from radicals, as would any Prestigious university - including your all mighty and high stanford.

CitricAcid

"As you said, it is a catholic institution, if someone had these views and feels uncomfortable or that their views are threatened, then they shouldn't have gone their to begin with or should transfer."

Statements like this are actually exactly what the student from Stanford are talking about. Filtering out anybody who disagrees with any University (or student body/alumni albeit) policy or viewpoint is definitely a definition of censorship. I would reconsider this sentiment...

deuspatriND

It is not the school censoring them whatsoever. They are not being censored to begin with. There are many individuals on campus who do not agree with the majority at ND but it is up to them if they stay of leave. if they want to be a bunch of whiney b!tch es and complain of censorship then fine. The only way one can reasonably state the U is censoring students is through the act of expulsion/suspension or asking them the to leave the school due to actions/writings/social choices/etc - which for the latter, only occurs if there is an unwed pregnant woman on campus. which as being a catholic school, teaching catholic ideals - clearly stated in du lac - allows them to carry out such policies. if the U let accepted them, due to their liberal or variant characteristics, it was because they wanted the diversity - which although ND lacks in comparison to other institutions - they strive to diversify more. It is just the nature of classification which enables ND to admit more students who agree with the U's fundamental beliefs mostly bc that is the majority of who apply.

to reiterate - if a student goes there and finds their ideals are dissimilar to that of their peers then move on or suck it up. That's life. It's no surprise ND is a bubble and very conservative - they should have realized and taken that into account prior to enrolling. But to say that ND censors their students and/or faculty is ludicrous propaganda from a pretentious coastie.

BPKO43

Is it censoring that most conservatives and traditionalists would feel uncomfortable and have to self-censor at, say, Berkeley? The sword cuts both ways............

kevdude

Deuspatri, the citation your provide regarding pregnant unwed mothers is incorrect. The only policy is that pregnant students are not permitted to stay in the standard undergraduate dorms, and the policy is driven by the belief that such a place is not suitable for a pregnant student or her baby. They are encouraged and given priority to live at University Village, which is a housing complex designed for married couples with children, married couples without children, and unmarried students raising children.

Probably not that important to note, but a dispelling of rumor nonetheless.

Sportfire

Kevdude - Thanks for the clarification. From what I'm seen, Notre Dame is very willing to assist the students and I was surprised that Notre Dame would expel a student rather than assist.

deuspatriND

i apologize for the misquote. From my understanding, about 20 yrs ago, they did have such a policy on campus. But assuming it was still in effect was hypocritical, as i previously inferred ND is progressing in values to keep up with modern culture. But yes you are right, ND is very accommodating to students. I though came under the impression that when a woman begins to show greatly, she is asked to stay off campus, potentially for the safety of the child, but also for the image it portrays. Idk which is the more prominent ideal.

irishmary203

honestabclee,
Now, don't throw stones. Seems to me that Stanford had a less than successful visit to Winston-Salem this past weekend. Don't be a hater.

honestabclee

Thank you.

honestabclee

I rest my case.

kevdude

So, anyway, FOOTBALL HUH?

notre dame AL

^thanks! Hopefully, this thread can get back to the main topic w/o the incessant jeers and attacks. Can we all agree to have a "grown-up" discussion?