tenebrousfire

Here's your possible options for applying.

1) You apply to the undergraduate school of your choice. That would be SAS (the College), SEAS, Wharton, or Nursing.

There are no second-choice options here. If you don't get into Wharton, then you don't get into Penn.

2) You apply to the joint-degree program of your choice. That would be Huntsman (SAS + Wharton), M&T (SEAS + Wharton), Nursing/HCMG (Nursing + Wharton), or LSM (SAS + Wharton).

There is a second-choice option available here, in that you pick which school (but only one school) that you would like to be considered for if you are not accepted to the joint-degree program.

These are your only two options.

So please stop asking if you can be considered for SAS if you don't get into Wharton.

Thanks!

undisclosed

Haha, pro-active aren't you?

I liked that post, thanks.

Quick questions if you don't mind:

1- I'm really, really aiming for the SAS but would still like to take some business classes and maybe a minor in Wharton. Possible??

2- What's the admission rate for Huntsman? Lower than for the college? Higher than Wharton?

ilovebagels

1. As a SASer you can take any Wharton class save for MGMT-100. There are literally more College classes that Wharton students can't take than the other way around.

SAS has been debating adding a BFLAT minor (Business, Finance, Leadership, And Teamwork) I believe. I don't know what will come of that, but it's not actually done through Wharton (which as of yet has refused to cooperate--the new dean may very well fix that).

Anyway, while waiting for that whole mess to get sorted out, you can indeed take a bunch of Wharton classes (many even qualify to count for some SAS majors). You can list them under coursework, but as of now you will not receive any sort of "Wharton minor certificate."

2. Huntsman is harder to get into than College and Wharton. It's primo stuff.

mattwonder

I'll add this:

I wouldn't wait around for the BFLAT minor (worst name evar, shows how JV the college can be sometimes). It's going to get no support from Wharton, and let's face it: Penn students don't want a business education, they want a _Wharton_ education. There's no such thing as a Wharton "minor" either.

However, you can take pretty much any Wharton class you would want, if you're interested.

Percy Skivins

I think the BFLAT idea is the dumbest idea ever - Penn already has a business school - it doesn't need a second one. Maybe there should be a trade - SAS can have a business major if Wharton can open its own gender studies dept. There appears to be a substantial minority of SAS students who secretly (or not so secretly) wish that they had really gotten into Wharton. Rather than play into these people with a BFLAT major, they should be discouraged. If you want an undergrad business education, transfer. If you can't get into Wharton, transfer to Stern or Mich. or somewhere else. Maybe this program should be called "WINO" - Wharton in Name Only.

feikuai

Haha BFLAT minor is a music key. WINO is pretty good too I guess

phillySASer08

Percy, I would note that BFLAT would be a MINOR rather than a major, so it would hardly be different than the several 'University Minors' already in existence. I agree that the name is silly, and that only Wharton wannabees would be likely to enroll, but it would hardly be the same as 'adding a second business school.'

45 Percenter

It WOULD completely undercut the whole One University concept of interdisciplinary study among the various schools, which is supposed to be Penn's signature strength. Sometimes I really have to wonder what the powers-that-be at Penn could possibly be thinking.

Percy Skivins

Phillysaser08:

I propose a new "University Minor" for Wharton Students. It would be called "BUL****":

Bioethics, Urban Studies, Latino Studies, Sociology, History of Science, International Relations, and Theater Arts. I agree that only PC tools would want to enroll but it would hardly be the same as adding a second liberal arts school.

You really have to see "BFLAT" for what it is - some kind of pandering to people who didn't get into Wharton but want some kind of Penn/business credential to put on their resumes. I can understand why people who didn't get into Wharton would want to do this, but I have no idea why it is in the University's (as opposed to SAS's) best interest to cater to such base motives. What principled reasons could be given for the creation of WINO's?

legendofmax

It really does seem to erode the power behind the one-university concept, but meh.

Venkat89

I really don't see the need for the minor. You can take as many business classes in Wharton as you can fit into your schedule, so do you really need to have a minor on your degree to have those classes help you get a job out of college?

ilovebagels

It won't last in its current state.

phillySASer08

I would see no problem with giving wharton students the options for some sort of liberal arts minor full of fluffy stuff, PPE is already in place. While I agree that the BFLAT minor is a pander to students who want some wharton cred, these people certainly aren't wharton rejects, as noted in the title of this thread, so saying that it caters to people who 'didn't get into wharton' is rather disingenuous.

I personally fail to see how it would undercut the 'one university concept as well' If some students want a note on their transcript that says they took a bunch of wharton classes, I don't really see the problem with it from that sort of standpoint. Where I do see a problem is that it could lead to an increase in the number of wharton backdoor candidates to the college, students who would figure that if they ended up not being able to get the grades to do an internal transfer, then they'd just settle for the next best thing.

Peach Chardonnay

what's the acceptance rate for wharton and hunstman?

Percy Skivins

Wharton around 10%. Huntsman lower.