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Old 10-30-2009, 12:02 PM   #16
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ALL public schools need to favor their own state residents- their mission is to educate the people of their state. Even though taxpayers are not paying the full bill they are supporting the institutions. Also note that the UW mission goes beyond educating college students- they are a resource for the people of the state as well.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:40 PM   #17
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I cannot speak to the number of applicants to UW, but a close friend is a dean at another state's flagship university. They are receiving 30% more in state applicants over last year, and last year was a record in state applicant pool for them. She has two explainations. First, it is clear to applicants and their families that last year the institutional grants, as a percentage of total costs, to students was lower that any time in the past decade because of decreases in endowments while universities were continuing existing expansion projects. Second, the overall applicant pool is larger nationwide and this makes the competition more fierce for the perceived elite private and flagship public universities. She also said something interesting. There sometimes becomes a question in the admission officers' minds as to whether an exceptionally strong applicant is using a flagship school as a "safety", and then is a decision to defer in favor of a more "committed applicant" a more fair decision to the applicant pool and to a university wrestling with predicting their yield.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:15 PM   #18
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What wis75 said. It's natural for state universities to want students of that state, for all those reasons.

I also hate people saying this school (or any other competitive school) is a safety for them, no matter what. You never know what will happen in the admissions process, and since it is competitive (albeit not as competitive as many other schools) and not a black and white admissions process, you generally cannot say it's a safety. I mean, you can, but I personally wouldn't consider it a safety for as many people who claim it's their safety.

To OP, I don't see why you were denied right away. If you were postponed, I could understand more. But to be outright denied is a little iffy. Make sure that nothing was screwed up, especially on your high school's end. Were all your recs sent, was something wrong on your transcript, and so on.

If you're really set on going here, appeal your decision. I remember at my orientation two years ago they were telling us about a student who got denied with a 35 ACT, 3.9 GPA, and nothing iffy about his application. He transferred later, and his counselor had no idea how he was denied in the first place. It happens, whether it makes sense or not. Sometimes people slip through the cracks. Try to make sure you aren't one, and make sure nothing was amiss.

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There sometimes becomes a question in the admission officers' minds as to whether an exceptionally strong applicant is using a flagship school as a "safety", and then is a decision to defer in favor of a more "committed applicant" a more fair decision to the applicant pool and to a university wrestling with predicting their yield.
I've heard this moreso for smaller, less competitive state schools than bigger, more competitive state schools. As well, I would think they would postpone before denying right away, and if I had to guess, I would say that's what they're doing to some of these applicants. By the time they get back to their application, they know more about the applicant, and they know more about whom they've already accepted. I really don't think denying strong applicants right away is part of this process (if it happens, and I think it does).
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Old 10-30-2009, 04:43 PM   #19
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I really don't think they are too worried about overall yield protection. I do think they are worried about keeping the OOS student number around where it is as the yield on OOS went down last year by a couple points. That would make me think they would accept a few more OOS just so they don't have to go so deep on the wait list again. After hardly using the waitlist in the past, the last two years thy have take hundreds off it. That's not good for anyone.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:41 PM   #20
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They went to their waitlist because they admitted fewer students than in the years prior to that when they ended up with more students than they expected. They want to admit as many as possible but not so many that typical freshman classes can't be taken by all those who want them. One reason state schools have lower yields is that some of the best students do use their flagship as a safety. With the changing economy it is harder for schools to predict their yields- a balancing act I don't envy them for.
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:30 PM   #21
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My D was rejected (hs class '08) from Wisconsin and we are STILL irritated about it, even though she's totally happy at her school.

3.8 gpa
29 ACT
multiple leadership positions, including Board of Ed student rep
Show Choir 4 years
etc, etc-

Talked in her essay about how her family was from Wisconsin going back 5 generations, and how she wanted to be part of that history, as her grandfather had graduated from Wisconsin law school...

We are from California.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:18 PM   #22
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^ wow, great stats & what sounds like a moving essay. & they rejected that?! dayum...
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:47 PM   #23
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Yes. Yes they are. I'm not even thinking about this school, and I can tell they are. It's insane.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:19 PM   #24
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LMAO, I hope they are! xD
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:47 PM   #25
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I heard that sometimes if you have too good scores and ecs for the school's standard, they reject you because they know that you think of the school as a safety..
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:22 AM   #26
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wow dude, i feel for you

i'm from wisconsin and we had a kid from our small limited means high school who had a 3.4 and ACT of 24 or 25 get in... they are really dumb for rejecting you
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Old 11-07-2009, 03:55 PM   #27
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OP, that is really unbelievable that they'd reject someone with those kind of stats. And elizabeth, your daughter seemed a perfect fit for admission too.

This is really strange. My hs counselor generally told me NOT to choose large, state flagship schools as safeties because their acceptance rate deviates greatly every year. In 2008, UW's acceptance rate was around 55%, in 2009 it went down to 52% but then they accepted around 300 kids (70 OOS among then) from the waitlist, so its a very very odd system that the big state schools run on.
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:41 PM   #28
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The sad fact is that in this competitive environment a 29 ACT is just OK...it's not great. I would say that did not work in her favor.
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:01 PM   #29
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Regarding the 2008 and 2009 acceptance rates. The yield changed and admissions needed to back off on the acceptances so they would not crowd the freshmen courses, one needs more data to understand the admissions picture. This year is even harder to figure out with the major economic swings.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:21 PM   #30
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I was just recently accepted and your stats are a lot better than mine!

27 ACT
3.9 G.P.A. (weighted) 3.8 (unweighted)
Top 5% (16/324)
2 AP classes
In state
2 Recommendation Letters
5 extracurricular activities during High School
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