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SVA vs. RIT vs. SCAD

taxguytaxguy Posts: 6,525Registered User Senior Member
edited November 2012 in Visual Arts and Film Majors
My daughter applied to animation grad programs. We ruled out SCAD because she didn't want to live in Georgia and fell that the contacts weren't really there as much as with SVA. However, we did check out SCAD. I am going to compare RIT to SVA because I found SCAD a lot like SVA. I will also try to be make comparisons between SVA and SCAD.



OK where should I begin. Let me give pros and cons of each program:



1. RIT Pros:

* Great, broad-based program. You will certainly learn all aspects of the animation pipeline. However, the same could be said for SVA and SCAD.

* Three years to get all the skills that you need. This can be both a pro and a con since you also have to pay three years of room and board and fees.

* Develop three films while there

* They are good with scholarships and could end up being much less expensive than SVA.

* Tenured professors ( don't know if this is good or bad). Both SCAD and SVA don't give professors tenure.

* Has significantly better facilities than SVA or SCAD. RIT has a great gym, better green screens than the other schools, and much better housing. In fact, they see to have more of everything when it comes to facilities. They also have a campus. Even the buildings, in my opinion, were in better shape at RIT over what was found in the other two schools. Moreover, there are more audio and video rooms available at RIT than that found at the other schools. I also felt by far that RIT was in the safest location among the schools mentioned.

* More cohesive community. Lots of clubs and associations.

* Being a non-profit, they give out more money than that of SVA and probably more than SCAD. This tend to have lower tuition. Room and board is much cheaper than living in NY city.

* Department heads and administration is much warmer and you get a warm furry feel from everyone.

* RIT has some interesting other majors such as glass that you can take courses in.

* Much better and more numerous programming courses over that of the other two schools if that is of interest to you.



Cons:

* I saw their student work. We really liked RIT and came in with the perception that we really wanted to like the student work at RIT. However,with the exception of the "Painting Thief," we didn't like most of their work nearly as much as that of SVA. This really bothered us and was a real turn off about the school! I should note that we also liked the work that we saw at SCAD, just not as much as we liked the SVA work.

* Connections are more limited that that of SVA. Lets face it. SVA is in Manhattan. They have to have more connections with studios in NY than RIT. Other than Disney, there aren't a lot of big name studios coming to RIT. I think this will change in the future though. SCAD claims to have lots of connections;however, I can't imagine that it really rivals SVA being in Manhattan. Lets face it, the work is in either LA, NY or Texas and somewhat in Florida. Being in Savannah has to be more limiting for internships even if firms do interview there.

* RIT has a "guild like"structure for their courses. There aren't a huge amount of electives. You generally must take the courses required and get to choose a few electives.

* Lots of snow and very, very cold winters.



2. SVA and some SCAD comparisons

Pros:

* Very well connected school in NY and particularly in Manhattan. SCAD is probably more connected than RIT but less than that of SVA.

* Better Ranked than that of RIT in every ranking that I have seen. Same for SCAD,although SCAD was particularly well ranked about 5 years ago in one ranking, which is why we wanted to check out the school.

* Student work at SVA was significantly better. SCAD work was good but not as good as SVA. RIT had the worst student work among that found at these schools.

* They have MANY more students who have won awards such as Student Academy, Siggraph winners etc at SVA. Can't speak for SCAD but I am sure they have some award winners too.

* All teachers are working professionals in the field. Not sure this is true for SCAD

* Overall probably better grad student quality due to their international reputation. Don't know if this is true for SCAD.

* Living in Manhattan has to be a LOT more fun and enriching than living in Rochester. Let's face it. Living in Savannah or Rochester isn't too enriching.

* Only two year program,which makes up for the higher yearly costs. In fact, this almost will equalize the cost between RIT and SVA. I think SCAD was a three year program.

* Curriculum is more flexible to the student's needs. There are only 7 required courses plus the four thesis courses. RIT also has four thesis course that are taken in year three. Thus, if you come in with some strong animation training, you can take just the courses needed to beef up the concentration that you want. Also they allow you to audit any one course per semester for free, whether it be graduate, continuing education or undergraduate.SCAD is also more guild like than that of RIT,but it does offer a number of elective options and perhaps more than that of RIT.

* We clearly like the student work at SVA the best compared to that of both RIT and SCAD. SCAD work came in second based on our evaluation. RIT was a distant third.



Cons:

* For profit school. Thus, every thing is more expensive. However, Surprisingly, the tuition and fees for SVA vs. that of RIT, without counting scholarships, is within $1,000 per year of each other. Also , they don't give new student scholarships. They are a lot tighter with their money for scholarship than that of RIT. They do give semester scholarships to the top 10% of the class each semester though. SCAD is a non profit,but they are run a lot like their "for Profit" cousins, but they do give some new students scholarships.

* Cost of living in NY is MUCH higher per year. Savannah and Rochester are much cheaper to live.

* Much less students. Thus, not a lot of clubs or associations, although there are some clubs. SCAD has a lot of student clubs.

* Administration isn't as warm and friendly as that of RIT. SAME for SCAD

* Much more of a trade school feel. Same for SCAD

* No campus, although Manhattan is your campus. SCAD is a city school too.

* No Gym, swimming pool, game room etc. If you want this, you would need to join a nearby gym in Manhattan. Don't know about this at SCAD

* Dorms are crappy compared to that of the apartments at RIT. You are better off renting a room somewhere. Commuting by train isn't bad or expensive in NY. SCAD dorms aren't nice either.

* Stand alone art school. You won't interface with other types of student such as engineers that you would meet at RIT. Same for SCAD

* Just a note, although I found the SCAD facilities quite adequate, the location in Savannah, is HORRIBLE. Normally, I wouldn't mind this for city schools such as Columbia, Cincinnati etc because many city schools have an enclosed campus where the building, and getting to the buildings , are safe. However, with SCAD having no campus and having buildings scattered around the Savannah area, I would really be hesitant sending my kid there. You have to check it out for yourself to see if you agree with my judgment.



Bottom line: If you have a strong background in either animation or 3d computer graphics, SVA or maybe even SCAD might be the better program for you. If your background is not that strong in animation or computer graphics, don't go to SVA because I don't' think two years,which includes the thesis , will be enough time to make you a master animator. You will be much better off attending RIT or even SCAD.



Hope this all helps.
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Replies to: SVA vs. RIT vs. SCAD

  • taxguytaxguy Posts: 6,525Registered User Senior Member
    Note: The above post was based on our review of graduate programs. For undergraduate, we would probably have a different bottom line.
    We think all of the schools noted above would give fine training for animation and digital arts. I do think that although SVA might be the most connected being in Manhattan, it would take a special, mature kid of 18 to thrive in Manhattan, especially since SVA won't give a typical college experience, if that matters. Morover, SVA being a for profit school and being in Manhattan will probably be the most expensive among those discussed here.

    We really liked RIT for both the course offerings, safety and facilities and for the fact that they give a lot of scholarship money. Cold weather could be real turn off to some people.
    We did not evaluate SCAD's undergraduate program. However, SCAD had a great graduate program on paper and decent facilities too. However, We HATED their location in Savannah. Also, since we didn't check out SCAD's undergraduate offerings or requirements when we were there, I won't comment on the quality of their undergraduate offerings.
  • msmayormsmayor Posts: 317Registered User Member
    Taxguy...very nice and comprehensive comparison of schools. I certainly respect your opinion.

    My daughter attends SCAD as an undergrad, and I can see your point of view on some things. Others, I would disagree...but I realize that opinions differ.

    I have a different view of the location of SCAD and don't find it horrible at all. I DO recognize that there are some areas of Savannah that are not 'good', but most students learn quickly where those areas are and stay away. While the buildings are indeed scattered around the city, the shuttle bus system SCAD runs is pretty extensive. Late in the evening, students can remain inside buildings (which are locked) and get updates on the shuttle locations via a TransLoc system they can call up on their smartphones, so they know just when to exit the building and meet the shuttle...no waiting on a street corner for it to arrive. In addition, for VERY late nights, students can call security for escorts right back to their dorm.

    While the dorms are older, they really are more than adequate for the students. Maintenance was responsive to our daughter and her roommates when things needed to get done. Her current dorm is actually a renovated large home now and houses fewer than 50 students. Its full of charm and she really loves it.

    SCAD does have a fairly large gym available for students to use. Some dorms have pools, but my daughter has never lived in one of those facilities or even had time to think about a swim. She's always too busy.

    My understanding is that SCAD professors continue to work and contribute in their field. There are no 'graduate assistants' or the like teaching there to my knowledge.

    Overall the school has been a very good place for our daughter. She has grown both personally and professionally in ways we know would not have happened at a traditional college. I realize its not a place for everyone though and, like you, would encourage others to look at a variety of schools to make sure the right one is chosen.
  • taxguytaxguy Posts: 6,525Registered User Senior Member
    Obviously, what I posted in my opinions which could vary.
  • gladiatorbirdgladiatorbird Posts: 660Registered User Member
    Thanks so much for taking the time to offer this comprehensive view, Taxguy. I missed this thread initially and didn't realize it was about animation. An interesting, very helpful analysis.

    DS will be a freshman (DA/Anim) in fall, but he may go on for a masters (who knows at this point?). Does your daughter have a lot of previous animation training?
  • gladiatorbirdgladiatorbird Posts: 660Registered User Member
    Also, Taxguy:
    What area of animation is your daughter most interested in? 2D, 3D, VFx? (I'm trying to educate myself about these areas/corresponding job opportunities).
  • taxguytaxguy Posts: 6,525Registered User Senior Member
    Gladiatorbird, she has some very decent animation training and experience majoring in Digital Design while taking some animation electives. During one summer she also took a Maya intensive at Gnomon and used a number of their videos. Finally, this year she took a one year accelerated program on animation through Boston Unversity here in Washington in order to get her "up to snuff" for grad school. This program gave her some strong animation skills since it was taught by an art director who supervised animators at a game company.She has also done a few projects as well such as one for the Department of Agriculture.Her interest is in 3d or VFX and NOT 2d.
  • gladiatorbirdgladiatorbird Posts: 660Registered User Member
    Thanks, taxguy.
    Great post.
    As usual.
  • mayalovermayalover Posts: 1Registered User New Member
    Top 100 Schools for Animation, Gaming, and Design | Animation Career Review

    check this out.

    You are not able to use computers in SVA because of the limitation. You'll know when you get there. SCAD has hundred of the computers, which are very expensive..(i.e. monitors are $2000 per each..)

    It is better to visit before you decide.
  • taxguytaxguy Posts: 6,525Registered User Senior Member
    Mayalover notes,"You are not able to use computers in SVA because of the limitation. You'll know when you get there."

    Response: I asked my daughter about the availability of computers. So far, she never has had a problem finding and using SVA computers for her work. However, she is a grad student. Maybe this is different for the undergrads.
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