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Art School admission 2017

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  • JBStillFlyingJBStillFlying Registered User Posts: 1,614 Senior Member
    edited October 2016
    @Isichitiu, MICA does have an "invitation-only" Early Action plan which is a great option for those who want to apply early but can't do Early Decision. Those students tend to have a high chance for some merit aid. So that's very good news for your daughter!

    Edit to add: we visited Bolton Hill before the riots so not sure what it's like now. But I really liked the neighborhood. Mt. Vernon nearby is very trendy (good restaurants etc.) and has the Walters and Peabody Institute.

    The college seems to be very on-top of security but it's a good thing to look into. Unfortunately increased concerns about safety apply to many of our urban areas - precisely the areas that have the best art/design schools.
  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    my understanding is there are electives available in all disciplines . Higher level courses are for the most part
    for majors as pre-req are required.
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    To whatever extent you weight rankings, note that the rank sited above for VCU Arts sculpture program is (for the nth time) for its GRADUATE program.
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    I noticed that Tyler Art at Temple U is not on your list. My daughter and I were very impressed by the school. It is a new 300,000 square foot facility. Very impressive and my daughter loved the presence of the greater university campus for some rah-rah and an expanded social life.
  • veeheeveehee Registered User Posts: 211 Junior Member
    edited October 2016
    @Isichitiu my daughter and I were searching for schools last year and so we've toured more than a few of them. It's exhausting but it will pay off in the end!

    She applied to 10 schools (a mix of art schools and universities with strong art programs) and waited for the acceptances to see what kind of offers she would receive. Most gave good merit aid, but some were just more generous than others. In the end, it was the accepted student days that convinced her of what she wanted. She chose Tyler at Temple U based on the impressive faculty and facilities and the campus vibe and the city life. If you haven't visited, you may want to add it to the list. It was honestly not even on our radar until we attended NPD and learned more about it. I believe their sculpture program is quite good, but you'd have to judge for yourself since my daughter is focused on graphic design.

    Others she applied to/toured/considered: Pratt, RISD, VCU, NHIA, MICA, CalArts, OTIS, RIT, University of the Arts and Hartford Art School

    Best of luck to your daughter!
  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    just a note of interest. at VCUARTS the highly ranked sculpture department (#1 as per USNWR) BOTH graduate and undergraduate use the same facilities and instructors .
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    There are no established rankings for undergraduate art schools. Stones3 has consistently, in the face of correction by dozens of responsible cc members, cited rankings for VCU graduate art programs when discussing undergraduate art programs. Ridiculously, again in the face of numerous corrections, stones3 also persists in the wholly unsubstantiated claim that because there is/may be an overlap between graduate and undergraduate professors at VCU, that this makes ratings for the school's graduate program applicable to its undergrad. Hogwash.
  • veeheeveehee Registered User Posts: 211 Junior Member
    @stones3 will insist otherwise but graduate school fine arts rankings are not very helpful when looking for BFA programs.

    We found talking to the faculty and students at the accepted students days was key to her decision. Plus the merit aid made a big difference. Temple gave her great aid, VCU gave her practically nothing. Pratt gave her loads but she didn't like the vibe there. NHIA kept offering her more money as we got closer to decision day.

    So my suggestion is apply to as many as you can handle and wait for the merit aid letters. Pratt sent hers with the early decision in December. Temple sent it a few weeks later. And you do have until May 1 to officially commit. :)



  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    may I weight in? with 100% certainty the grad school rankings(as there aren't any undergrade usnwr rankings) are absolutely applicable and important. I have stated a number of times now that the grad and undergrade use many of the same facilities and same faculty! Any reasonable person would make the connection, but go visit and see for yourself. It is a top notch facility, great town and diverse friendly student pop. Most importantly its highly successful in the recruiting department. . Other schools like RISD, Pratt, Mica etc are also highly rated some are in fact highly rated grad programs does that disqualify them? of course not, its a plus.

    Our D had many opportunities to choose from and decided (with just a little merit /acadmic scholarship) to attend VCU from OOS - and loves it. PS many of the vcuarts students are OOS , unlike the overall VCU pop. and its nice that even paying OOS its 2/3 the cost some other schools not as highly ranked. Good luck to all.
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    Instead of creating one's own reality, we should really be talking about facts; documented, empirical data upon which parents and students such as the OP can make well-informed decisions.

    There is no data to show by any stretch that highly ranked grad programs impact the quality of undergraduate programs. The fact of the matter is that the VCU Arts graduate program is quite small with only about 180 students. In any case, this is purely speculation on the part of the poster claiming such a correlation.

    However, in terms of opportunities both while at school and post-graduation, student:faculty ratio and postgraduate job placement are very important. It is interesting to note that nearly every school on the OP's list of potentials for his/her daughter have about 50% of the student:faculty ratio of VCU Arts. While the latter is at 17:1, schools such as RISD, Pratt, MICA, CCA, KCAI, and Cooper Union are all under 10:1. MCAD and SAIC are close at 11:1. Tyler at Temple University is below 14:1.

    As far as job placement (most schools provide their hardest numbers within a year post-grad), VCU hovers around 80%. This is in marked contrast with other schools on the OP's list including RISD at a staggering 96%, and Pratt also in the 90's for postgraduate job placement.

    Another totally made up "factoid" is the wholly unfounded speculation that there are more OOS students at VCU Arts as opposed to the larger VCU community. This is total bs. There is only one application to VCU with no separate application for the Art school. VCU as a whole consists of 87% in-state students. So roughly 9 of 10 students are Virginia residence. To the extent to which the school is required under Virginia State law (in return for State funding and other benefits) to maintain a certain percentage of in-state resident students, it is simply not plausible that VCU carves out an exception to this percentage, stocking the Art program with OOS students. This would have also have the effect of ballooning the in-state population in other disciplines. VCU Arts only has 2700 students. Without falling too far foul of VCU in-state student requirements, how many OOS students can there reasonably be? If there are 25% OOS, double the percentage of the larger college, there would be 675 OOS students.

    By all means weigh-in. Some facts would be nice.
  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    VCUarts Sculpture has been the top-ranked Sculpture M.F.A. program for over a decade and attracts students from around the globe who are drawn by its state-of-the-art facilities, generous financial support, reputation of its celebrated faculty, and the ever-increasing visibility of its alumni. Obviously , by ANY measure the top program in the nation.

    http://hyperallergic.com/329811/vcuarts-department-of-sculpture-extended-media-announces-new-faculty-irvin-morazan-and-massa-lemu/

    VCUarts is widely recognized as one of the nation’s great schools of the arts and design, with more than 3,000 students from 35 countries and 39 states. ___FACT!!!

    Here, artists become part of a thriving community, collaborating with faculty members known across the world. Visiting professors bring real-world guidance and insight into the learning experience. And students are able to reach across disciplines, to work on projects that fuse interests to solve problems.

    So a graphic design student might work on a special education project. Fashion designers might join forces with VCU Medical Center. Sculpture students might help create a new bike rack design. The journey is up to you, and the possibilities are unlimited.

    Ten VCU School of the Arts professors and alumni have received Guggenheim Fellowships since 2002, including two faculty recipients in 2012 — one of the highest totals of any university in the nation
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    You forgot the source-attribution and copyright credits....

    "VCUarts is widely recognized as one of the nation’s great schools of the arts and design, with more than 3,000 students from 35 countries and 39 states.

    Here, artists become part of a thriving community, collaborating with faculty members known across the world. Visiting professors bring real-world guidance and insight into the learning experience. And students are able to reach across disciplines, to work on projects that fuse interests to solve problems.

    So a graphic design student might work on a special education project. Fashion designers might join forces with VCU Medical Center. Sculpture students might help create a new bike rack design. The journey is up to you, and the possibilities are unlimited."

    (c) 2016 Virginia Commonwealth University

    "Ten VCU School of the Arts professors and alumni have received Guggenheim Fellowships since 2002, including two faculty recipients in 2012 — one of the highest totals of any university in the nation."

    © 1996-2016 Virginia Commonwealth University. All rights reserved.
  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    VCUarts is widely recognized as one of the nation’s great schools of the arts and design, with more than 3,000 students from 35 countries and 39 states. ___FACT!!!
    debunking ANYONE suggesting otherwise about the diversity of the art school. If not, then who are all these OOS kids
    I've met while visiting our D. LOL. Anyone interested in actual factual and first hand experience feel free to private message me I will help if I can.
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    edited October 2016
    VCU Arts freshman class for 2016 is approximately 660 students. About 575 of these are from Virginia. That leaves 85 students, roughly one from each State in the US + 1 student each from the 39 countries outside the US to which you and VCU Arts statistics refer.

    If you expand to the entire VCU Arts school, there are 2,885 undergraduate students (the 3,000 number to which you refer includes the 180 graduate students reported by the school). Approximately 2,510 undergrads are from Virginia, leaving 375 OOS students.

    Projecting from the freshman class to the entire VCUArts school (4x to account for the upper classes), 1 from each State in the US (200 students) + 4 from each of 39 countries outside the US (156) = 356. Quite close to the 375 OOS students the school's own statistics report. Plenty of OOS kids for you to meet while on campus.
  • stones3stones3 Registered User Posts: 648 Member
    edited October 2016
    one of the problems with this site is the IGNORE feature doesn't kick in until you sign in . So unfortunately I've been sucked into reading the one person who has the esteemed pleasure of being on my ignored list (and rest assured that's where they are staying) BTW just one thing , is it just maybe possible that there are more than one OOS kids from the same state? Whatcha think? Might explain the home state club our D is in for art student freshman to meet
    others from their home state...Oh no....what just happened. Debunked again. Its a great art school , you don't have to agree but almost everyone else in the industry does. #2 ranked with UCLA !
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