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SAT cutoff score?

IBinLuxIBinLux Posts: 186Registered User Junior Member
edited January 2013 in Wesleyan University
Hello everyone,

With an SAT score of 1620, do you think my ED application to Wes went directly into the rejection pile?

Congratulations to everyone who was accepted
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  • circuitridercircuitrider Posts: 765Registered User Member
    It looks that way.

    Wesleyan, in common with other SLACs applies a holistic approach to admissions, but you have to give them something they can lay their hands on; sometimes, it's called a "hook". A 1600/2400 on the SAT, even if you got a perfect score on one part of it, only leaves 800 points to spread between the two other parts of the test (the people at Princeton probably stake you 200 just by spelling your name correctly.) Without even knowing all your scores - it would be impossible not to surmise they were probably in the mid-500s.

    Sorry that things didn't work out. It's best not to look back.
  • thirrdplanetthirrdplanet Posts: 674Registered User Member
    Unless there is something else in incredible on it, probably. There's no cutoff but a 1600 is not very competitive. Obviously some have gotten in with that score, but the odds aren't in your favor.
  • IBinLuxIBinLux Posts: 186Registered User Junior Member
    Thanks for responding! I have a learning disability (dyslexia) which renders me almost incapable of taking the test. It still baffles me how I could have gotten 1620 in the first place. By the time I finished reading the passage, I had ten minutes left to answer the questions. I attached a letter from my psychoeducation analyst which diagnosed me explaining my case. The SAT is simply a dyslexic's worst nightmare. The fact that a person like me is able to earn a 4.2 GPA with amazing extracurricular achievements is the best representation of me as a student.

    After reading some extracts from The Gatekeeper, I am beginning to wonder if they even gave my application a chance.

    P.S I got the second best score in a calc test of my grade and I still can't raise my math SAT above 600 :(
  • PickwickPickwick Posts: 104Registered User Junior Member
    Take some deep breathes and move on. There are many great schools out there and there will be a school that recognizes your talents... a school you will be happy at. I know that sounds trite, but you just have to trust that it is true. I don't mean to belittle your learning disability, but many students have serious issues ranging from home abuse, to lack of educational opportunity, to learning disabilities, and in the real world, fair or not, these impact where they end up. Don't let that define you. Your are clearly a very talented student. Do what countless students do upon rejection -- decide that the rejecting school does not deserve you and you are better off! Fall in love with a new school. I wish you the best of luck.
  • thirrdplanetthirrdplanet Posts: 674Registered User Member
    Apply to test optional schools!
  • IBinLuxIBinLux Posts: 186Registered User Junior Member
    Thank you for the advice Pickwick, I really need some right now.

    However, what's still driving me crazy is that their isn't even a strong correlation between SAT scores and freshman college GPAs. It's like asking students to run a 5km race as part of their application (which has nothing to do with academic capabilities) and then rejecting those applicants that are on crutches because it took them ten times as long to complete the race!

    If only I could find out why I was rejected... it would finally put me at peace.

    P.S. Anyone know of any schools similar to Wes that are test optional? I've applied to Bowdoin but it's a completely different atmosphere and I'm not sure if I like it. Also does anyone have any experience in applying to Wes twice?
  • nicedayniceday Posts: 2,498Registered User Senior Member
    Although you'll never know the exact reasons you were rejected, you can look at the Wes common data set to find out that standardized test scores are important to the admissions decision and that you need at least a 640-660 on each section of the SAT to be at the 25th percentile of matriculating first years for that section. No more than a quarter of the class has a score below 600 on one section of the test. Only 7% have a score below 600 in math. Only 2% have a score below 500 in any one section. Wes is not test optional and therefore, did not disregard your scores in the application process, even if you provided a good explanation for why they do not represent your potential.
  • IBinLuxIBinLux Posts: 186Registered User Junior Member
    I wonder if Wesleyan knew from the beginning that I would have never stood a chance of being accepted. When I visited Wesleyan and had my interview, info session etc., they kept egging me on to apply even after we discussed my disabilities. They gave me the same old, "We look at each candidate holistically"... bull****. After reading The Gatekeeper, it seems to me that Wesleyan simply wants to have as many students apply as possible, just so they can reject a greater number of applicants. In affect, lowering their acceptance rate, appearing more prestigious and increasing their rank on US News College Rankings.

    I'm sorry if I appear to be bashing Wesleyan. It's a great school and I love it. I'm just going through the phases of being rejected; shock, disappointment, immense sadness, and now anger. Hopefully acceptance will soon enough.
  • morganhilmorganhil Posts: 393Registered User Member
    I am very sorry that you were not accepted, but it is best to move on. There are 250 other LACs out there and many are test optional. There are a number of great ones out there in the midwest that have January 15 or February 1 deadlines, so if I were you I would get busy on that. As for Wesleyan wanting to simply have the largest number of apps they can get, not! That is not and never has been the Wesleyan philosophy and I am sorry that you might imagine that was the case with you. It's not easy for anybody to get into Wesleyan and each year about 80% who apply don't get in.
  • lovethosechipslovethosechips Posts: 8Registered User New Member
    I believe that Bard is test optional and it seems to have a similar environment.
  • morganhilmorganhil Posts: 393Registered User Member
    Here's my handy dandy list of good LACs which are both test optional and are still taking applications for Fall 2013 admission:


    Clark 1/15
    Denison 1/15
    Dickinson 2/1
    Drew Rolling
    Earlham 2/1
    Franklin and Marshall 2/1
    Hobart Wm Smith 2/1
    Knox 2/1
    Lake Forest 2/15
    Union 1/15

    As a Wesleyan alum who is also a Wesleyan parent, I endorse any of the above colleges as good alternatives for you to consider at this point.
  • kelbeekelbee Posts: 118Registered User Junior Member
    To add to the test-optional list of small LACs with late deadlines, you could try:

    Wheaton -- MA (1/15)
    Goucher -- MD (2/1)
    St. Lawrence -- NY (2/1)
    Muhlenberg -- PA (2/15)
    Susquehanna -- PA (3/1)
    Juniata -- PA (3/15)
  • darcydoodarcydoo Posts: 34Registered User Junior Member
    I know it sounds evil, but the SAT and other standardized testing is kind of the only way colleges can get a grasp on your academic ability. I mean, how do they know if your teachers are tossing out As willy-nilly or if they are busting your butt? Don't get me wrong, I am so much better in the classroom than on the standardized test, but there has to be some way to compare kids.

    I trust that all these liberal arts schools evaluate your app cumulatively, but they get THOUSANDS of applications. I think they take a peak at your quantitative business, and if you don't have a really special list of ECs and whatnot, you are probably out.
  • IBinLuxIBinLux Posts: 186Registered User Junior Member
    Firstly, I'd like to thank lovethosechips, morganhil and kelbee for suggesting all of the colleges mentioned above. I've looked at all of them and have decided to apply to a couple of them.

    With regards to darcydoo's comment about how the SAT and other standardized tests are the only... well... standardized way to compare all of the applicants, I beg to differ.

    At the end of the 10th grade, when it was time for my fellow classmates and me to choose whether they would take the International Baccalaureate (IB), IB certificates, or the simple high school diploma, I was highly discouraged to take the IB. I was told I would not be able to complete it given my "special" situation. However, against my school's guidance, I decided to take the IB because it promised a STANDARDIZED high quality education that will prepare me for university in any country under any educational system. Thats right; the International Baccalaureate Organization (IBO) has devised an educational system where every single IB student follows the exact same syllabus, is given the exact same class work and homework, and is given the exact same final exam (all 121,195 of us). An IB diploma from the International School of Luxembourg is equal to an IB diploma from Hillside High School in North Carolina, an IB diploma from Nanjing International School in China, and an IB diploma from Aga Khan Academy in Kenya.

    Now, you may ask, "how well is IBinLux doing in this very demanding internationally standardized educational system?". Based on my grades so far in the IB, I am predicted to score 40 out of a possible 45 points. Based on the past 45 years of IB data and statistics, this score puts me in the top 4.45% of all IB students world wide.

    I never wanted this to become a "Chance me" thread by listing all of my stats and ECs (while I do understand the basic human need for reassurances and the desire for an outside opinion, I think they are completely absurd), but apart from the SAT I don’t know where I went wrong. By no means do I want to sound pompous, but my grades are some of the best in the world (statistically speaking), my ECs are absolutely amazing, I am a third culture kid (not living in a country of either of my nationalities), bilingual, lived in five different countries by the time I was 12 years old, my teachers love me, and my college councilor told me that I had the best recommendations she had ever seen in her 19 years of work.

    Sorry about my rant but these thoughts have been running around in my head and I need to get them out (the internet is probably not the wisest place to do this).

    I seriously need to learn to move on...

    P.S. Your average just passing IB student will score on average a 1953 on the SAT. I wonder what the average top 4.55% would score…
  • thirrdplanetthirrdplanet Posts: 674Registered User Member
    Top 4.5% isn't THAT impressive. Two thirds of people accepted have a score of 30 or above on the ACT. That's the 95 percentile meaning top 5% in the country. You also only appear to be guessing you will get that score. "Based on my grades so far in the IB, I am predicted to score 40 out of a possible 45 points." That post makes you sound very entitled. Being humble is good and you'll end up somewhere good despite only above average and not outstanding SATs.
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