somesmores

GAH, the dilemma. I'm debating between yale scea and the multiple early action route.

yale scea doesn't give me an advantage, i know, but i love yale and want to know early. thing is, with multiple early action to umich, tulane, etc. i know i can at least get into one of them and know i'm not going to live in a box down by the river next fall...whereas yale is probably going to defer me...or reject me. sigh.

SCHOLARSHIPS: with yale scea i can't apply for private school scholarships that are due december 1. (OR...CAN I? I'm actually quite fuzzy on this, yale just says you can't apply to other private schools with yale scea but doesn't mention scholarships. anyone know?)

i don't think i can improve my app much as of this point. i messed up my grade in one class 2nd semester last year but got a 4 on the AP test so i don't think yale will reject me just for that. (heh...i hope not)

as for hooks...can visual art count as a hook? i'm quite good at it and will submit a supplement. but being female and asian = anti hook! oops I didn't mean for this to turn into a chance thread. any advice regarding yale scea vs. multiple early action? past students, any comments?

thx

KhalidAttalla

It really does depend on how competitive you are. If you're not quite up to scratch and are looking to apply on the off chance that you manage to impress the adcomm, then I'd suggest not doing so; take the multiple-EA route. If this is not the case, consider your financial constraints (you mentioned scholarships; are these available at a later date?) and consult your family and then make a decision. It's impossible for anyone to advise you with absolute certainty because the variables here are both personal and fluid.

Holocene

You can apply EA to public schools (Mich) and SCEA to Yale.

"You may apply to any college's non-binding rolling admission program.
You may apply to any public institution at any time provided that admission is non-binding.
You may apply to another college’s Early Decision II program, but only if the notification of admission occurs after January 1. If you are admitted through another college’s Early Decision II binding program, you must withdraw your application from Yale.
You may apply to any institution outside of the United States at any time."

I would email/call them and ask about private school scholarships due Dec. 1. I know USC does this. I think you can, but double check.

CIEE83

I can't imagine why the scholarship would be an issue. The only restrictions involve applying to more than one EA or ED school. You could submit 15 RD applications on 11/15 and you would not be violating the SCEA rules.

stemit

I think CIEE83 is correct on schools like USC. Those apps are RD submitted on a date earlier then most RD apps are due.

JHS

I think you can apply to private school scholarship programs as long as (a) they don't promise to give you an admission decision before January 15, and (b) their decision to admit you isn't binding on you. (I haven't checked again; this is based on what I remember about the old rules. Yale has a history of tweaking its rules, however, so you need to check the current set.)

gibby

"can visual art count as a hook? i'm quite good at it and will submit a supplement."

It does not count as a hook, but submitting a visual arts supplement can enhance your overall application, both at Yale and at other colleges.
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"I'm debating between yale scea and the multiple early action route."

Unless you have stellar grades (95+) and high test scores (2100+), you might be better off going the multiple early action route and then applying RD to Yale.

entomom

Ys SCEA exceptions do not include applying to early scholarship schools like S does:

Restrictive Early Action : Stanford University

This difference was discussed last year and IIRC the student that brought it up called Y Admissions and confirmed. Of course Y could have changed their policy this year, so it's worth a call.

keylimepie

You cannot apply to another institution’s early admission program. It doesn't say you can't apply to another institution's scholarships. 2 years ago my S applied to UNC's Morehead-Cain scholarship and Yale's SCEA. He didn't consider UNC in the begging of his HS senior year, but his GC recommended him for the Morehead-Cain, so he thought "why not". He didn't get the Morehead-Cain and he didn't apply to UNC afterwards.

keylimepie

Here is what Yale's admissions site says about supplemental materials:

Yale attracts applicants with a high level of talent in arts and music. Your visual art supplement should stand out to help with the admission.

entomom

keylime,

I agree that scholarships with early submission dates are not a problem, I should have been more clear, my comment was referring to private colleges where you have to apply under an early admissions program in order to apply for the scholarship. And example would be Notre Dame's Hesburgh-Yusko scholarship which requires that the student apply EA to be considered. It seems like S would permit this under their REA policy, but that Y would not.

I found the thread I referred to earlier:

EA advantage/disadvantage

Unfortunately there was no follow-up posted about what Y Admissions said.

YoHoYoHo

Op,
For last year's admission cycle, one could apply to a scholarship program like USC on 12/1/12, because it's not an early admission program. Admission notification is on the regular cycle, and it is non-binding, it's just that you turn in your application "earlier". However, double check that the rules did not change for this year.

Yes, if your visual arts portfolio/talent is good, then you should submit it; it may increase your chances of acceptance because it makes you stand out from the crowd.