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I think difficulty is overblown on CC


Replies to: I think difficulty is overblown on CC

  • CaliDad2020CaliDad2020 Registered User Posts: 1,010 Senior Member
    Having watched the college process for a long time now, ability to afford seems more often a roadblock to attendence than ability to be admitted. Of course, if Stanford is the only school you'll apply to, you are most likely going to be disappointed. But almost any B+/1300 SAT student will find an interesting, reasonably selective school that will admit them IF they can afford it.

    One thing I think folks on CC tend to misunderstand is that schools very rarely base admission decisions on small differences in test scores or GPA. (Just look, for instance, at Brown's admissions by GPA/SAT that they publish. While Brown seems among the most holisitc of highly selective schools, they are not way off the charts. They "only" accept 23% of students who apply with 800 SATs and only 15% of those who apply with 750-800 SAT scores... yet the class is made up of 26% students with 700-740 SATs and >50% have less than 740... meaning once you hit 700 or so, sure higher can add to your profile, but adcoms are clearly now looking around at other info about the student. They are not tossing the 710/760 kid because they've got a 720/770 kid next on the pile. They are putting them next to each other and looking at lots of other bits of info. https://www.brown.edu/admission/undergraduate/explore/admission-facts)

    But outside the tippy-top schools the issue is financing more than admissions, and for parents who are full-pay whose kids are decent students who don't care what "selective" school they go to, there is almost always a good option available. Just check the "our grads attend" list for any top private (they are all usually published in the school paper at some point - or pick a recent Andover, Harvard-Westlake, St. Albans, Chicago Latin kid off facebook and check out their friends. 90% post their college attedance.) A huge % will be Barrons 1 and 2 schools - 'cause most selective privates schools have parents who can write the check.
  • bookmama22bookmama22 Registered User Posts: 2,272 Senior Member
    I have a cousin with a daughter-in-law who has been Head of Guidance at some of the top districts in Nassau County. She is doing a consultant position with a district that has always been thought of as low end, disproportionately minority as the white population primarily send their children to parochial schools. As a consultant to this district, she has found that there are numerous college planning tools and protocols that she is familiar with and uses as common place in higher end districts but were totally unfamiliar to the guidance counselors in the district she is consulting with currently. Without an educated and informed parent who is willing to spend the time to explore options, the available options are not being explored or presented to the students.
  • IdiotBoy123IdiotBoy123 Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    totally agree @3puppies, Refer to my comment
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 2,059 Senior Member
    edited March 2018
    "While Brown seems among the most holisitc of highly selective schools, they are not way off the charts. They "only" accept 23% of students who apply with 800 SATs and only 15% of those who apply with 750-800 SAT scores.."

    For unhooked applicants, those are the best odds you're going to get at Brown and it's interesting Brown bases it on test scores and not something else like essay strength or recommendations. Brown does make a distinction between a 1600 and 1400 if it's accepting 23% of kids with a 1600. And for sure it's making distinction between a 1600 and 1300 (probably 1-2% acceptance and all hooked). They don't make a 1470 pile and 1450 pile, agree there, but they do seem to make a 1600 pile, 1500 pile, 1400 pile etc..
  • CaliDad2020CaliDad2020 Registered User Posts: 1,010 Senior Member
    "They don't make a 1470 pile and 1450 pile, agree there, but they do seem to make a 1600 pile, 1500 pile, 1400 pile etc.. " @theloniusmonk

    Sure, but while 1500 - 1600 is a tiny (~1%? spread) 1400 gets you to 94% or so - that opens the door to a lot of kids, relative to the incoming class. Of course, in some cases higher is better and every school will have a "bottom" that they consider the lowest good indicator of a strong student, barring other mitigating factors. But most competitive schools do not play the "+/-10, 20 point game." after a certain range. (Engineering/tech schools and Math or MathII scores being the notable exception.)

    What makes predicting admissions so tough these days is the claim of holistic admissions is true. And schools get plenty of applicants within their "acceptance range" that they can ignore some 1550 or 1600 applicants if they have a more interesting 1450. They have admitted enough students over the years to be confident what inputs (finances, HS, GPA, extra curricular commitment etc.) will suggest a student will graduate (most important metric for most schools.) and who will thrive and might contribute something cool. And, of course, whose checks will clear.
  • a20171a20171 Registered User Posts: 1,177 Senior Member
    I also went to a mostly white private school. The difference is, most of us aren't economically privileged and there are few legacies. ONE student was accepted to an Ivy and she was our Valedictorian with over 100 GPA AND a URM. No one else was accepted to any top 25 schools. My 3.8 GPA, 1540 SAT, "normal" extracurriculars, and first gen status didn't get me in anywhere in the top 25 and I applied to about 5. @yucca10 is spot on.
  • infinityprep1234infinityprep1234 Registered User Posts: 431 Member
    edited May 2018
    @3puppies Not all kids come fom wealth who attend these Private prep schools. They attendbon substantial need based aid. My daughter have no hooks whatsover , no legacies, no sports star, and on top a Korean ORM kid. What she have is her work ethics and determination to succeed. This school send 30% class to Ivies. Her GPA is 3.98 despite most challenging courseload that only includes AP or AP above level classes., and extraccuruicular activities, that she won some national awrds. She has Top scores. At least this thread gives me so.e hope, that she has a fighting chance.
  • CTDadof2CTDadof2 Registered User Posts: 66 Junior Member
    OP, you are in a very rarified environment and seem to be unaware of that. All the students you mentioned had SAT scores no lower than 1450...where does that place them on the distribution for the test? 90-95th %ile I'm guessing. Several students are the children of Ivy alumni. Many years ago the late Texas Governor Ann Richards, in describing then-president GHW Bush, said he was "born on third base thinking he hit a triple." You seem to be coming from the same place. Your private school can keep out the poor and low-achieving, so the pool you attend school with is already stocked with highly advantaged candidates in the college race. My children go to a very highly regarded public high school with plenty of high achievers. I am aware of one Harvard admit in the past 10 years. The one we got into Yale this year was a recruited athlete. We have plenty of ivy alumni in town, HYP alumni children aren't getting in, only Cornell alumni children are. Your humble-bragging is a bit much.
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