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Architecture vs Engineering - or both?

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  • XCcoasterfreakXCcoasterfreak Registered User Posts: 247 Junior Member
    Trust me dude, same here, the answers are very vague and even I'm confused as to what to do.

    I know UT Austin has a dual degree for Architecture and Architectural Engineering (practically structural with some other stuff) but I heard it's really hard and impossible, so I'm not sure. But it's exactly what I want to study, both Structural Engineering and Architecture. I even want to earn a masters in both afterwards, idk. I'm still looking for the right answer.
  • rick12rick12 Registered User Posts: 642 Member
    Is it possible to run a 4 minute mile; absolutely. Is it likely you are going to be able to do it; no.

    Is it possible to do a dual major in architecture and engineering; absolutely. Is it likely that you are going to want or be able to do it: no.

    Will it improve my chances of getting a job; somewhat, but not as much as putting that extra time into becoming a better architecture or engineering graduate.

    There is a good suggestion on this thread to get an undergraduate engineering or architectural engineering degree and follow it up with a 2 year MArch degree. This is doable and is a better option than trying to do both degrees at the same time.

    rick
  • XCcoasterfreakXCcoasterfreak Registered User Posts: 247 Junior Member
    Civil and Environmental Engineering - BSCE Building Science

    How is this program?

    Would this appeal to Grad Schools if I wanted to earn an M.Arch and Masters in Structural Engineering? And would all of these courses of studies ultimately appeal to firms?
  • ViterbiStudentViterbiStudent Registered User Posts: 91 Junior Member
    Hey I’m Kristen- a senior in the B.S. Civil Engineering (Building Science) program at USC. Building Science is essentially an architectural engineering program where you take architecture classes in addition to the general civil engineering curriculum. Instead of trying to complete two majors (a full 5-year architecture program and a full 4-year engineering program), this program offers a combination of the two strengths while still enabling you to graduate in 4 years. I have always been really interested in architecture, but I also enjoy the technical aspects of engineering. I choose to come to USC because they offered a combination of these majors with their Civil Engineering (Building Science) program.

    The Building Science architecture classes have been some of my favorite classes because they are group-project based and incorporate both the architectural and structural aspects of designing a building. We learn the creative aspects of architectural design, but always follow that work with complete structural calculations required to make sure a building will stand. I’ve also really enjoyed the architecture history courses that are included in this program.

    Building Science students go on to get jobs in all aspects of civil engineering and architecture including structural design, construction management, transportation, architectural design, etc. Some students also continue on to civil engineering or architecture masters programs.
  • rymdrymd - Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    I thought architects and structural engineers did completely different things... What I see architecture students do every day and from what I learned in intro architecture class gave me the impression that architects are basically specialised artists - they handle the design of places and stuff, while engineers handle the "how many steel beams are needed to support this roof" kind of thing. There's some overlap of course, but I still see architecture and engineering as very very different subjects.
  • DontPanic1DontPanic1 Registered User Posts: 385 Member
    My D was 'split-brained' too, so the first thing we looked at was architectural engineering - that seemed to make sense. But the curriculums we looked at basically seemed suited for a builder/contractor- HVAC, wiring, that kind of thing. Not at all what she had in mind. More research indicated that it takes more years to get an architecture degree and it typically takes many more years of working on senior architects' designs before your own creativity gets a chance to shine. She went into engineering and 4 years later is very happy in her new job applying her 'artistry' to software design.
  • Rousse54Rousse54 Registered User Posts: 520 Member
    What about majoring in architectural engineering? They have that major at CU Boulder
  • csleslie51csleslie51 Registered User Posts: 1,172 Senior Member
    Alternatives - check out Stanford's D school Stanford Institute of Design | d.school | home and some of the things this group has done: Catapult Design
  • MomfromKCMomfromKC Registered User Posts: 378 Member
    I'm going to throw this out there even though it might not fit - packaging engineer. They are the ones that came up with the new mayo and jelly lids that spread the food as you squeeze. It used to be just blister packs, but now it is so much more. If you want to design buildings go for it, but if smaller sleek but functional attracts you at all at least check it out.
  • thackettthackett Registered User Posts: 3 New Member
    I faced a similar question upon making my college decision. I wanted to be a city planner but upon examining the payscale at that time I elected not to follow that path. I scored extremely high on the Architectural College Entrace exam and because I had a logical engineering thought process as well as high creative thought process I looked at my math SAT scores that said Architecture. You need a strength in math for engineering or architectural engineering. After a long period of decision making I then found acceptance to Architectural Schools is not a given and hard especilaly for out of state students. I applied and was accepted. After 1 year I transfered to Construction Management as the design education was highly artistic and not reality to building and architecture. In addition I found myself competing with highly skilled artistic individuals and would do well with design but moderate on presentation. Upon leaving the program my class advisor said I was making a mistake and would be locked in a room with a calulator my entire construction life. I graduated with a degree in construction management and 1 year of architecture and a long list of architectural and landscape architectural electives. I went to work in Real Estate Development and hired and managed more architects than a career in Architecture would have given me. The fact is as an Architectual Graduate you get the design detail work initally and it takes time to move into a project management or lead design postion. Look carefully at the University you choose. Clemson has a program where the Construction Management program is within the COllege of Architecture to build relationships early and tear down the often adversarial relationships that exist in the industry. Custom Home Building is a niche that gives one the ability to feed the design craving and not have an architectural degree. As for teh engineering side I would stay away form it as in both Engineering project management and design it is focused in the manner you speak of. The creativity in it is structural detail not architectural creativity. Follow your skills and abilities. Good luck
  • Negoblle2Negoblle2 Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    The University of Wyoming has an architectural engineering program, it wouldn't hurt to check it out?

    UW Department of Civil and Architectural Engineering
  • SannaBeeSannaBee Registered User Posts: 6 New Member
    It's a tough time out there for those seeking work in anything touching the housing market. My D is also a split-brain math science wiz and very artistic. I agree with the parent who suggested leaning toward product design or industrial design and engineering. That is a very cool way to incorporate both sides, while not facing what could be a really tough job market even 4-6 years from now. And to csleslie51, WOW Catapult Design is so amazing and I will be sharing their website with my D. Right up her alley! Another area to consider is Biomimicry. Combine Biology, Design and Engineering. Here's a link to several Biomimicry programs: Biomimicry Institute - Biomimicry Affiliate Program
  • csleslie51csleslie51 Registered User Posts: 1,172 Senior Member
    SannaBee - Went to a talk given by Heather Fleming, CEO of Catapult. She has a BS degree and is a lecturer at Stanford. One of the most amazing and inspiring women I have heard in a long time.
  • LakemomLakemom Registered User Posts: 3,005 Senior Member
    I want to point out that for those engineering types interested in industrial design that the majority of ID programs do not have engineering type classes in them. Stanford's program is unique because you do 3 yrs in Mech Eng and 1 in Product design. RPI has a double major that has both. You can minor in design at CMU with a ME major. VT has a minor in ID. Drexel does. I believe Georgia Tech does as well. Most ID programs barely require one semester of physics or calc in other schools.

    There are 60 accredited ID programs in the U.S. and 20 are at art schools. Of those 40 left, some are at tech type schools. ID is more of an art major unlike Arch which has engineering classes incorporated. The focus of ID is more the psych, marketing and aesthetics of a product--not how to make it work well.

    My son is also a split person so I have done a lot of research. There are masters programs in ID/product design but they need to be researched because some are really engineering oriented, not art oriented, so focus on the actual manufacturing of the product, not how to design a better one.
  • 2boysima2boysima Registered User Posts: 1,794 Senior Member
    Architectural design is in the School of Engineering at Stanford. One of it's more well known students is Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
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