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Spending the Night on an unofficial visit

imafanimafan Registered User Posts: 252 Junior Member
edited January 2012 in Athletic Recruits
Can the coach sanction and coordinate a player spending the night with a team member on an unofficial visit? In my case, the coach has invited my D for an unofficial visit. When we made the plans, the coach has not yet mentioned letting herr spend the night with a team member.

As an aside, she was invited for, and attended, an official Junior Day visit at another D1 and the "sleepover" was coordinated by the coach.

Appreciate your insight.
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  • schoolhouseschoolhouse Registered User Posts: 267 Junior Member
    I'll say this, we've done both official and unofficial visits in two sports

    one was a non-revenue sport the other was revenue generating sport

    the non revenue coach, meet with us, arranged for her to run around with potential teammates and left the overnight up to her. Her food and other accomodations came out of my pocket--unofficially of course we did go to a football game free......

    the revenue sport
    the sports office contacted my daughter and coordinated a date, an airline ticket was sent with a very specific sport/academic school. Everything was coordinated through their office my daugther ate well off campus, attended a basketball game and sat court side. She had a seperate meeting with the coach and his staff and she spoke with the compliance as well as the admission officer handling her file---again all coordinated by the AD ,and within the 48 hours rule. She was also given the option to stay longer and attend practice, but she would have had to pay for her food.

    the difference was on the unofficial visits at least one parent was there, the officials where all handled by the school.
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    imafan, is she a junior?
  • imafanimafan Registered User Posts: 252 Junior Member
    River,
    Yes - she's a junior. I'm just puzzled because the school has been pursuing her hard core, and we are going (me too) to visit - across the country! It is a potentially good fit. She's said she's willing to stay with a member of the team, but they haven't bitten on that part. She will meet the coach, go to practice, get the tour, meet the academic advisor too.

    I was just wondering if the coach arranging the sleepover was NOT allowed.
  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    On an unofficial visit, she can stay in the dorms but will probably have to pay a small fee (~20$) The only thing the University can provide on an unofficial are complimentary athletic event tickets.
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    ima, so much depends on how each school "usually" does things. I took my D on a number of unofficials and she never spent the night, though was offered a few.

    She's a college senior now, so my perspective on visits from the host point of view is much different. It's somewhat of a big responsibility for athletes to host. They have to keep their charge safe, tucked in on time, and amused. If it's finals week, mid-season, party season, etc., it can be a lot to ask to find a girl who can and will give up a night to take care of a high school junior. During regular official recruiting season, it's a responsibility shared by the whole team.

    I'd not push too hard for an overnight. Official visit time will be here soon, and that's the key time to meet the team. Current seniors will be gone, the new freshmen will be part of things, and your daughter will get a much better feel for who will be there if she picks that school.
  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    ^That's a very good point. Since more kids take unofficials than officials it could probably become a real burden on the current students if the school set that precedent. We did all the uns in nearby hotels (got the 'University rate' FWIW)
  • sidelinessidelines Registered User Posts: 102 Junior Member
    Daughter was asked to go on an unofficial about this time last year and the sleepover was arranged by the coaches who met us when we got to campus. Spouse and I stayed at a hotel in town. The plan was for one night for sure, two if everyone comfortable. D spent two nights at the school, went to classes, saw a practice, went to two games and some parties.
  • etondadetondad Registered User Posts: 1,122 Senior Member
    Unofficial visits--no $ (other than tickets to athletic event) Official visits $--NCAA rules-- if the team sent you plane tickets even in a revenue producing sport-- violation, I believe, unless it counts as your official visit.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    ^ Correct. AND I believe there are strict rules about yr of hs---so flying in a Jr would be a big no no as well....

    IMHO staying in a dorm on an "unofficial" is a lot to ask of the college student and coach.
    There is a lot involved for the hosting student.
    Our freshman hosted several on their offical visits... and as RiverRunner mentioned..there is a lot involvedthat impacts a current students day/evening beyond the classes, meals, practices, study hrs etc...

    For our student's unofficials...Jr yr, we stayed at a nearby hotel, toured campus, met coaches and saw facilities etc, watched practice.
    Sr yr, Official visits our student flew to school, stayed w/ teammates in dorms, etc etc.


    IMAFAN, if your student has the academic stats and athletic stats...thats why they are pursuing...Come the end of jr yr...be sure to send a copy of current transcript, test scores etc to the coaches of the schools she is interested in...so they can pre-read. Come mid summer things will really start cooking and officals can be put on the calendar.
  • fenwaysouthfenwaysouth Registered User Posts: 988 Member
    Can the coach sanction and coordinate a player spending the night with a team member on an unofficial visit? In my case, the coach has invited my D for an unofficial visit.

    No. An unofficial visit would be coordinated by you. Basically, if the coach is encouraging an unofficial visit, he is encouraging your daughter to meet with him at the college. No more no less. The best part is the coach will be free to discuss just about anything during the unofficial visit, and there is no time limitaton. Your daughter will be responisble for any travel, hotel or eating arrangements. If she can stay with friends or family on campus, so much the better. Official Visits would be coordinated by the Coach on your behalf, any you are limited to 48 hours on campus.

    Junior Days are typically different. All the arrangements are made by the college and coaches. JUnior Days typcially bring in a bunch of recruits that get an academic and athletic sales pitch from various deans, admissions and coaches that collaborate on the effort.


    Official visit...... Any visit to a college campus by you and your parents paid for by the college. The college may pay all or some ofthe following expenses:

    • Your transportation to and from the college
    • Room and meals (three per day) while you are visiting the college
    • Reasonable entertainment expenses, including three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest.

    Before a college may invite you on an official visit, you will have to provide the college with a copy of your high school transcript (Division I only) and ACT, SAT or PLAN score and register with the NCAA Eligibility Center.

    Unofficial Visit.....Unofficial visit. Any visit by you and your parents to a college campus paid for by you or your parents. The only expense you may receive from the college is three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest. You may make as many unofficial visits as you like and may take those visits at any time. The only time you cannot talk with a coach during an unofficial visit is during a dead period.
  • imafanimafan Registered User Posts: 252 Junior Member
    Thanks all for the great feedback. All is on the up and up. The coaches from two west coast schools asked her to consider coming for unofficial visits. We are paying for flights and airfare and the coaches are meeting her for practice and a tour. Recently a nearby school emailed her too, and as long as we're only an hour away, we'll add them to the list.

    Appreciate everyone's insight. I feel better that we're not spinning our wheels and spending our money recklessly just because they haven't coordinated an overnight.
  • sidelinessidelines Registered User Posts: 102 Junior Member
    Varska, sleeping in the dorms technically requires some $ on an unofficial? Amazing. Just seems like it's not much different than any student's friend visiting for the weekend and sleeping on the floor.
  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    No firsthand experience on that one - we did hotels during D's unofficials. But the NCAA doesn't allow the school to give the student anything of value (except tickets to a home game) during an unofficial visit. So if the school puts the kid up in a dorm, they have to charge the going rate for the room (semester room rate / days in the semester).

    Of course if he/she has a friend on campus and arranges to sleep over - the school didn't arrange or authorize it, so no foul.
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    The NCAA is so unbelievably random on what they choose to crack down on. If I were a college coach, I wouldn't even consider having a student stay on campus on an unofficial. So much room for liability, and accusation of wrong-doing, not to even mention the money question.
  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    ^So true. I suppose the NCAA has to draw some kind of line in the sand with regard to visit housing, lest some football powerhouse program builds a luxury suite available to any VIP recruit whenever they choose to take one of their unlimited unofficial visits.
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