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Scholarship/Offer Negotiations Help

editoreditor Registered User Posts: 357 Member
edited December 2012 in Athletic Recruits
My D is taking her last OV this weekend. All of the schools have told her they would love to have her (XC/track). There has been mention of athletic scholarship being offered, but nothing official or dollar amount discussed. There is one school that is at the top of her list.

My question is, how does the scholarship offer work? Should she tell Coach "A" that she wants to commit before he makes an offer? We just don't know what the next step should be. Do we wait for the coach or should DD be proactive in letting her intentions be known?

Thanks!
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  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    I would have her call or email the coach and just let them know she is interested and that you are looking at a few offers and would like to know what athletic aid is available to her. The coach may not have exact information and some schools prohibit coaches from putting that figure in writing (email) until the athlete commits but they should have a good ball park figure available.
  • momof2010momof2010 Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    My son got verbal offers before committing. I would not make a commitment until you hear the offers. As Steve said have your D communicate to the coaches that she is ready to make a decision but your family needs to look at the financial picture to see what works best. The only thing that might be an issue is the offers were given on unofficial visits on campus. I think Steve might be correct in that they cannot make an offer via email. I do not know about verbal offers over the phone. Definitely ask!!! The coaches understand that athletes need this info.
  • editoreditor Registered User Posts: 357 Member
    Very good advice! Thank you!

    Can she negotiate?
  • momof2010momof2010 Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    We did not negotiate but when we were asked questions about how our finances were, we just responded honestly and said that our son has some money set aside for college (from his gpa) and it is his money so the less he has to spend on it for college the more of it he gets to keep for himself. I do not think our response really had much to do with his offers, I believe the coaches know what they can/cannot give each athlete and it will depend on how much they want your kid. I do not know of anyone who negotiated either. I think it would be uncomfortable to do so and perhaps start off the relationship in a weird way.. Just my 2 cents though, others may feel differently.
  • evertonnutevertonnut Registered User Posts: 72 Junior Member
    Subject to time constraints, your daughter can and should try to negotiate the best deal with each coach. Negotiations will reveal a lot about how much each coach wants her. The tricky part (assuming multiple offers) will be deciding how much weight to place on the athletic offer versus academics/overall team fit/overall school fit/other finanicial aid. Still, it's better to make the decision after getting the best offers on the table and with full information regarding where each school stands.

    I also recommend that the parent monitor all offers closely and be ready to become directly involved in negotiations if the player appears to be in over his or her head. But I think others on this board may disagree with me on this last bit of advice, so reasonable minds can differ.
  • GolfFatherGolfFather Registered User Posts: 1,519 Senior Member
    I'm a firm believer that the student should directly handle and manage all of the interactions with the coach about - why do you want to go to X - tell me about yourself - what are your grades - stats - and also asking questions of the coach about the school, the team, etc.

    But "negotiating the best deal?" I can't see most 17-year-old kids handling that well.

    Do the colleges actually expect that? Not to have the parents jump in and participate?

    (I'm not looking forward to that either.)
  • momof2010momof2010 Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    I don't know what evertonnut sport is or how their recruiting experience is or was but at least in my son's sport negotiating would be inappropriate in my opinion. Maybe in revenue sports that would be considered the "norm" but I would think in equivalency sports where they have to split up the athletic scholarship money between team members I would expect the offer would be what they can do for the player period. I also agree that when talking finances it is important for the parent to be part of the discussion or at least be in the loop 100%.
  • evertonnutevertonnut Registered User Posts: 72 Junior Member
    momof2010, my sons play soccer. By "negotiations" I mean not simply assuming the coach's first offer is his or her best offer, and at least trying to get a better offer. In my experience, most coaches do not give their best offer first. After all, they have limited scholarships, and each 10% can be precious.

    So, while I would never recommend a player give ultimatums or negotiate as if he were at a swap meet, I do believe telling the coach that dollars are a consideration, or that the player cannot attend without a certain % (if true), is well worth the effort.

    My experience is limited to soccer coaches, so I suppose the coaching fraternity in other sports may look down upon such a direct approach. But in men's soccer, I believe most coaches will not be offended by a player (or parent) trying to get the best scholarship possible.
  • momof2010momof2010 Registered User Posts: 407 Member
    ^^Makes sense, and perhaps we lucked out in not having to be put in a position to negotiate as what was offered worked for us. Copied and pasted below here is something interesting about equivalency sports and scholarships written by a D1 coach for mens golf on a blog this coach does.. First is the question from someone and then his response..

    When I look at what schools recruited players I find it surprising that a school will recruit a few top players and then someone way down on the list, why is that?

    Scholarship is a huge part of all the decisions we make. Nowadays, to get elite talent most schools need to give an elite level scholarship. Because there are only 4.5 total scholarships for each program when you give a couple or a few very large scholarships the average for the rest of the team goes way down.
    Right along with how much a coach likes a recruit and how they evaluate their talents comes a question of what scholarship it will take to get them. So there might be players that a coach wouldn’t want at 25%, but that they would love to have at 5%.
    A coach is always recruiting under lots of constraints that the recruit and their family may or may not know. Often we have very little scholarship to work with and only ones we could get are those that are “further down the list” as you say.
    Ten years ago there were many more middle percentage scholarships, but the trend seems to be going to more high scholarships and more low scholarships.
    The last thing I would say on this is that a coach’s “list” may be very different than the various official rankings. To really get an edge on the competitors a good recruiter will see value where others don’t. They will see the up-and-comer. What might appear as “down the list” to many could be the top of the list for a certain coach. I always try to look at recruits through my “three years from now” glasses.
  • evertonnutevertonnut Registered User Posts: 72 Junior Member
    momof2010, D1 mens soccer coaches only have 9.9 scholarships to give (if fully funded), and they usually carry around 25-28 players per team, so they have to be very careful when offering a scholarship beyond 50%. Usually a few players will be recruited walk ons and the rest will be on scholarships that can vary from full costs to attend (tuition, room & board, books, fees) to only books. But getting a full ride for all four years is rare in mens soccer.
  • ahsmuohahsmuoh Registered User Posts: 1,346 Senior Member
    Is the 9.9 scholarships "full rides"? When an athlete says they got a 50% athletic scholarship does that mean 50% of tuition or 50% of COA?
  • imafanimafan Registered User Posts: 252 Junior Member
    The 9.9 scholarships are based on the total cost of attendance (averaged out for instate and out of state students as applicable).

    The language coaches (and athletes/parents) use differs. Some coaches offer an athlete a full tuition scholarship, which may equate to a 50% coa scholarship. But it sure sounds great to say "full". Others offer a specific dollar amount, and then equate it to the % of coa OR tuition or whatever. The NLI specifies the dollar amount.

    In my experience, the best coaches offer a % of the cost of attendance and then clarify that the % will remain the same or go up as the $ of coa increases.

    Make sense?
  • GolfFatherGolfFather Registered User Posts: 1,519 Senior Member
    Definitions of COA can also vary. I've seen school web sites list "travel" as a cost of attending. That seems kind of odd to me.

    Rather than COA, coaches I've talked to or listened to at presentations list full scholarship money as specifically covering:

    Tuition
    Housing
    Meals
    Fees
    Books
  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    Also, the 9.9 men's D1 soccer scholarships are for the entire roster, freshmen through seniors. So in any given year the coach of a fully funded program may have 2-3 full scholarships available to use in recruiting freshmen.
  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    In our experience the coach didn't have much leeway to negotiate the athletic money. They typically had some pull on the academic side and could talk with admissions to find more academic funds if the student has the right numbers to justify the extra funds. Several schools DD looked at had their COA for athletes right on their website, others we just asked. That is the number the school uses to base "full rides" on.
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