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Parents of HS Jrs (HS class of '14)

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Replies to: Parents of HS Jrs (HS class of '14)

  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    Haha, my kid was a swim kid too!
    I have read that there is a floor to the test score ythat is acceptable, regardless of other things. It sounds like you think that a really high GPA or SAT 2s can offset a lackluster (600, or even 650) CR score. That would be nice, but I am hoping he can pull the score up instead of getting by with 600-650. However, we may not have a choice.

    Part of my thinking is that, at the end of the day, he will have to read alot, especially in a liberal arts college, so I would want to feel that he was capable of reading adequately to manage the workload. Given his GPA I think he is, but the scores say something too.
    I am annoyed that guidance counselor did not suggest ACT instead of SAT 4-5 months ago. He had the info. I feel like I dropped the ball.
  • crewmom1crewmom1 Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    My D was recruited for rowing last year by several Ivies. Was admitted ED (with likely letter in Oct.) and will go to one of top (hpy) next year. Our experience with the coaches (beginning March jr. yr.) is that they were very transparent and honest with her. Early on, they clearly told her what she needed to do to get an OV invitation. They explained their recruitment process and the timing of events/decisions. Later in the process, they told her where she was on their recruitment list and what her chances were of getting a likely letter, if she committed. We were very direct with our questions and received reliable responses from each coach. Keep in mind that grades, courses, etc. are relative; strength of the school profile matters. Standardized test scores were emphasized. In my D's case, the academics were her strong suit from the beginning (strong transcript, 2270 SAT, over 700 on all 3 SAT2s). One coach explained that her AI could lift the team average and allow them to bring on a stronger rower who might not have the academic credentials. But of course, race results and erg scores matter and can make up for a somewhat lower AI. Coaches wanted to to see D's erg score trending down. Once she beat their target 2k time (July before sr, yr.), the OV's invitations came in. Sounds like your son has a very strong rowing resume and solid academics. It could help him to bring up his SAT1 and to score high on the SAT2s. I would suggest that he update coaches throughout the recruitment period with race results, erg times (flagging any PRs) and standardized test results. My daughter did this and was so encouraged by the coaches' responses. Hopefully, by June they'll ask your son to send in his transcript and scores for a pre-read from Admissions. Good luck!
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    Thanks for sharing that history Crewmom1 and congratulations to your D. We're just getting started so it's great to read a timeline of events - it really helps in setting expectations and makes clear the need for being very organized and methodical.

    May I ask, how many OVs did your D go to? Was it in those visits that she made and communicated her decision?
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    The March SATs are in. My S saw 90 points improvement - now at about 2040. Good, but...

    A question for the veterens: It seems most of your kids are scoring in the 2100-2300 range. Is 2040 still not acceptable? The academic index number (per Tier One calculator) is now 215, but I keep hearing that 2100 is the threshold for SAT 1.

    Anyone know of a scholar-athlete being recruited to an HYPS under 2100?
    Anyone else take the March SAT?
    How many times can one take the SAT without it looking bad?
  • 5amriser5amriser Registered User Posts: 149 Junior Member
    Yes about HYPS recruitment for a bit lower than 2100 SAT, but with a 5.0 weighted GPA.
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    hmmm...that's what I was afraid of. One hears stories of lesser scores, but I am questioning whether they are true, and/or the athlete was so accomplished that that made the difference.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    Hi All

    We just got back from a looong road trip.
    Fishing in the right pond. K2s SATs were a decent start for most of the schools. As a first one out of the box, its helpful. Will retake it.

    Had good reception from coaches which was also nice. Busy trip...and there is a lot K2 needs to accomplish in the coming months to make the apps season successful.
  • starskystarsky Registered User Posts: 65 Junior Member
    Rowmom -- my recruited kid at a HYP knows many with SAT in the 2000-2100 range who had very good but not perfect grades. No one's pulled out actual transcripts, but from their discussions it's my D's impression that her 2270 770 720 was among tops of scores and 3.5 gpa was among the lowest. I think there are so many "depends" for each recruit --- the school, the sport, the recruit, the grades, the scores, the rigor of the HS. Better grades and scores are definitely better, but I wouldn't advise your kid to give up hope/dreams just because of a 2040. I don't think that's a deal breaker all by itself.
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    that's good news fogfog.
    How many schools did you visit? Was your daughter gathering info on her list in potentials or trying to whittle down her list of possibilities? I am envious of your experience at this. Hopefully I will be more confident when my D comes around (class of 2015).
    Do most kids do their first unofficial visits before the junior summer? It kind of feels like we are behind, but our team has double days (5 hours practice daily) 6 days a week during both Presidents Week and Spring Break. There is really no time to make a long trip.
  • NESCACgrad88NESCACgrad88 Registered User Posts: 39 Junior Member
    S1 is a rising senior football player. Went to several NESCAC, Patriot and Ivies over Spring break. Not sure if football is unique in this respect, but was surprised at the GPA and test scores that the coaches are looking for in order to persuade admissions to admit their recruited players. Definitely lower than the published median scores. His scores and grades put him high band 3 on the Ivy Index. Good, but without football, I bet some of the HYP schools would be a severe stretch.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    I think GPA/scores are likely sport dependant...
    helmet vs non helmet sports
    women vs men
    d1,d2,d3
    ivy
    etc


    On our recent trip all coaches told K2 that the GPA and scores must be in the same range as the regular admits. Waaaay to early to see where K2 stacks up
    When we have SATs/ACTs and transcripts are in hand on/about July1...we'll know more.

    For HYP when K1 was recruited....all coaches and recruiting packages received gave us a gpa/scores etc and they were in range of published stats. K1 had the total package -GPA, APs, test scores, ECs and sport so we knew it was a matter of how big the recruiting pool was and who choose where to attend...

    For K2 its a different journey some are D1 some are D3...
  • Makaveli16Makaveli16 Registered User Posts: 16 New Member
    Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned something about coaches asking about study abroad. How would a potential recruit (football) answer this, if he did want to study abroad? I wouldn't want to burn a bridge by one stupid answer, but I would like to study abroad. I'm a little bit far away from that question, though, so I've got some time to think lol.
  • ChicagoMamaChicagoMama Registered User Posts: 237 Junior Member
    Nescacgrad88, we were surprised to learn the same thing. One of the 2013 football seniors who was between an Ivy and another top school had a 4.0 gpa, but his SAT was 1850. He is headed to the Ivy this fall. One of the Ivy recruiting letters we have at this moment specifically says minimum SAT of 1700 and top 20% of the class. My ds has 1900s and we've been told it's fine. I think football is a different animal.
  • HVbaseballDadHVbaseballDad Registered User Posts: 45 Junior Member
    I had a recruiting coordinator for a non-helmet sport (guess which one) at a non-HYP Ivy that "over 1800 on SAT, 28 ACT, 3.6 GPA taking most rigorous courses offered by school would be good enough". While my son easily meets these requirments, the trick now is to be one of the 7 or so that they want well enough to offer a Likely Letter.
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