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Parents of HS Jrs (HS class of '14)

fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
edited August 2013 in Athletic Recruits
Let the games begin for the upcoming recruiting of our scholar-athletes

How is everyone doing on the prep/recruiting front?

Feeling a bit behind as with K1 we got the intro stuff to coaches in late fall of Jr yr.
With K2 the first wave (though more strategic list) went this weekend.

With K1 all testing was done by the end of Jr yr, SATs, SAT2s, and ACTs...that won't be the case this round as K2 hasn't taken any of them yet, and will take a first shot at the SAT in March and the ACT in June.

Am I more relaxed, or are we behind? haha :)
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Replies to: Parents of HS Jrs (HS class of '14)

  • 5amriser5amriser Registered User Posts: 149 Junior Member
    I would say the activities have picked up quite a bit this month with all the junior day invitations. I think many D1 coaches have a first draft of the list formulated from their contacts/info. From what I have observed, the first wave of email contacts for upper tier athletes are getting very active. All juniors should communicate their interest and profile now.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    I realize this is sport dependant....

    As my college roommate's dd is getting offers for colleges w huge % $/schol. and she is a jr.
  • imafanimafan Registered User Posts: 252 Junior Member
    fogfog - what sport is that?
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    college roommate's dd = soccer
  • dlbarberdlbarber Registered User Posts: 246 Junior Member
    We have filled out college website recruiting questionnaires, and e-mailed a few coaches (with responses back from 2 out of 3). Registered with NCAA. Taking the SAT's for the first time next month. Managed to get S's GPA and class rank, as a few places wanted to know that. S is attending his first College "ID" Day this weekend, so we are pretty excited about that.
    At this point he is pretty much looking at local colleges, a few D3, a few smaller D1's and a D2, and a US Service Academy. We are new to this whole recruiting process and I really feel like I am going in blind!
  • John1284John1284 Registered User Posts: 20 New Member
    As a parent, I went through this process with my S (at NESCAC D3 colleges for a helmet sport) last summer. I would HIGHLY emphasize on having a broader reach/approach with all your NESCAC College coaches and recommend that you methodically go through this long process. This note is meant to be for all the fine student-athletes that have an interest to pursue an athletic “hook” with NESCAC colleges. That said you need to cast a wide net and heavily market yourself, get to know the head coaches, assistant coaches, and most importantly the recruiting coaches responsible for your geographical area. As others pointed out, you need to stay focused on your academics and make sure that your ACT is north of 30-31 (although some LECs super score the ACT). You need mostly A’s in AP courses and should take at least 3 APs in your senior year (the general rule of thumb is to take as many AP courses that you can score A in them). You also need to take your ACT (or SAT) test in early spring of your junior year, in time to have the score ready for upcoming summer camps (see below).

    You need to make highlight films of your junior and senior years (take a look at the Video Software & Apps for Coaches, Athletes & Recruiters - Hudl site if your school coach has already signed up, it is the easiest way to produce your highlights). You should also fill out the “athletic recruit” form on every NESCAC college web site before you sign up for their on-day summer camp. This is one way for the NESCAC college coaching staff to build their recruit data base (they have access to other data bases as well). Once you send your information to the colleges, you will receive “form responses” and often get “updates” from the coaches. A typical NESCAC “helmet sport” recruit data base has as many as 1,500 names to start with, and they end up actively focusing on selected 60+ per “helmet sport”. They go from 60 to even a lesser number of “spots”, “supports”, and LL (in case of IVY only). It is a grueling and long process but you just need to stick with it if you are utterly determined to use football as your “hook”. At the end of the day the NESCAC coaches are looking for highly motivated and great students that can equally play well on the field! It is not the other way around for these very selective colleges.

    Sign up for the NE, Harvard and individual LEC/IVY one-day sessions (as many as you can afford). This is your marketing opportunity but you need to be physically, skill-wise, academically, and mentally ready for these camps. It takes a lot of effort and coordination to hit these summer camps. As luck would have it, lots of enthused parents and student-athletes leverage the summer before senior year as an opportunity to visit colleges and these sports camps. These camps are sometimes oversubscribed but this is how you get noticed by the coaches. You need to prepare your “profile” (consists of resume with your picture on it, transcript with list of courses you will be taking in your senior year, ACT/SAT test score, and AP test scores if available). Once on a college campus, make sure you introduce yourself to the coaching staff, have a 15-20 seconds introductory speech ready (your “elevator speech”), hand out your “profile” and show energy, enthusiasm, and as much team work as you can during your short visit. Your parents also need to get to know these coaches and start a dialogue (as they say, “it takes a village”). Once the camp is over, send a “thank you note” to the coaching staff and identify with them how much you learned, and how you feel about their program. Now you are ready to send periodic “updates” in response to the emails that you will receive from college coaches (see above paragraph). Your periodic emails should include a line, or two about your most recent academic progress, a new highlight, some news about your football games, and how much you are looking forward to be part of the “College XYZ football program next year”. Make sure you have your thumb nail photo as part of your signature block. All these coaches are overwhelmed with emails and voice mails. A photo will jug their memory about who you are (every little thing counts).

    You can also be invited for a “recruit day” before and/or after your one-day camps. Some colleges (like Middlebury) will go to different camps but they don’t have a camp of their own. Instead, they invite some student-athletes to attend their “recruit day” and this is when they put out a very nice “dog and pony” show to further their recruiting process. If they are interested in you, they may ask for your commitment and encourage you to apply ED. (Please read the next paragraph for details about how to qualify their interests).
    Now the waiting game starts around late August (for football and Spring of Junior year for LAX). Coaching staff will start to contact student-athletes that fit their needs. Of course, by now you should have a good feel about the level of interest that you received during one-day camps, recruit days, or simply your visits. Be aware that if they are really interested they ask for your stats (GPA, ACT, SAT, AP scores, number of AP courses, and transcripts) for a pre-read at the Admissions office. Hopefully, you are within the academic range and very little support will be required. Otherwise, coaches have to get involved and start cashing in their “equity” (normally reserved for top notch athletes that are on the border line of academic range of acceptance at NESCAC colleges). Also be aware, that most good coaches keep their cards close to the vest and don’t volunteer too much information about where you stand on their priority list, unless you are on top of it. That said you need to understand when and under what circumstances they will send your academic information to the Admissions office for a pre-read. Again, most of the coached don’t commit to you unless they get thumbs up from the Admissions. They equally encourage you to do ED I because they have the most pull. However, you need to ask probing questions about the coaches’ track record and their past performance with the Admission office before you commit to any ED. Do some research, talk to other athletes and get a feel for the head coach’s batting average. Most good NESCAC coaches have 80%+ average. Last but not least, your head coach may ask a couple of probing questions from you to gage your “true” commitment. Questions such as: how do you feel about studying abroad for a semester, or two? Is your application ready? Has anyone reviewed your essays? Be careful about the first question because most coaches want their student-athletes’ on the campus in fall semester for football. If you get through the last set of hurdles and you commit, your head coach will equally make a commitment to get your application through the ED process. This is just verbal (at NESCAC colleges), don’t expect anything in writing, and this is how it is (welcome to the real world of uncertainty)! Also, make sure that you read the college web site information carefully. Some colleges “recommend” having an interview and that basically means that you SHOULD have an interview. Don’t take this lightly just because you are a student-athlete. If you are going to commit to any college and submit your ED, and you need financial aid, remember that you also need to get your financial aid application ready by the ED deadline. You also need to remember that you won’t have an opportunity to compare what different colleges will offer if you decide on the ED route.

    Now comes the ED deadline of mid-November and you are about to submit your application. Some student-athletes think that because there is a “favorable” pre-read and the coach really wants her/him that means that they are “in”. Well, the ultimate decision will be made by the Admissions office and the committee that reads your application materials. Remember that these are very selective colleges and there is no shortage of qualified applicants waiting at their door steps. Do yourself a favor and work on your essays as if you don’t have any athletic “hook”. You submit your application and you think you are done, but not exactly! Although, you need to have a fall back plan with your application in a stand-by mode for other colleges in case your ED does not pan out (remember that every decent college has a “supplemental essay” on top of the usual “common application essays” and it takes time to get it right). Work on your non-football applications as soon as you submit your ED. You hope for the best and plan for the worst! You will only have SIX weeks to prepare all your applications, and this is your Plan B (hopefully you won’t need it). Also, stay in touch with your NESCAC recruiting coach during this process. You need to be your own advocate and demonstrate independent thinking, continuous updates, follow through, energy, and most importantly enthusiasm for your next college of choice. Ask your recruiting coach to follow up with the Admissions office and find out if there is anything above and beyond what you submitted that may be helpful for them to properly evaluate you. Remember that you are driving this bus! As you may have read on the CC, there are a number of cases where a student-athlete thought s/he is “in” but the opposite happened. To hedge your bets, don’t burn bridges with other schools that have an interest in you but be honest with them because honesty will go a long way in this process.
    The next waiting period starts after you submit your ED application to your number one college of choice but you still have some work ahead of you! If there is one (or more) school that was trying to recruit you (and they also did a favorable pre-read), let their coaches know about your decision and stay in touch with them. These coaches have been around the block a few times and know exactly what you are going through. That does not mean that they will keep a slot open for you indefinitely but the coaches are in the same position as you, and they are trying to get their recruits’ commitment at the same time. College coaches also lose good student-athletes to competing colleges (or Admissions office denies the coaches’ request for admission), so in a way it is like a game of “musical chair” (there are a finite number of high quality/high caliber/skillful student-athletes with limited football slots at NESCAC colleges – you can apply this logic to any sports and any college)!

    Now comes the mid-December time and you will hear from your ED college of choice. Hopefully you are accepted (and if you need financial aid, you get what you need). If you are not accepted, or you don’t get the financial package that you need, then get in touch with other coaches that may still have an interest in you (there may be an opportunity to do EDII, or RD with other football colleges). If that is not the case, just don’t worry about it and execute your plan B by firing off your applications to other (non-football) colleges that you are interested in. There are only two weeks between 12/15 (when most ED acceptance/rejections/deferred news comes out) and when most RD, or EDII applications are due on 1/1. You are in charge of your destiny and can’t afford to miss the opportunity for RD elsewhere if your ED does not work out. That is, you can’t afford to be “down and angry”! This is not end of the world but rather a new beginning after the NESCAC recruiting process is over. Imagine you are playing football and you just lost one game. Dust yourself off and get ready for the next game. Good luck!
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    Thanks John.

    I am a parent of a D1 at hyp and now entering a new recruiting phase with a different student... who may hit D1, though also some D3s are on the list....
    and not hyp

    Our K1 currently at a d1 hyp had all of the apps ready for about 9 other schools had things not played out...and did apply to a really nice safety (with academic merit $) and a state flagship for good measure.
    Non helmet sport

    Our K2's list is a bit different - though the list includes D1 and D3.
    Also non helmet sport




    Thanks for your informative post.

    There are many CC parents here who are just hitting the scholar-athlete recruiting months and it does add a different wrinkle so to speak...


    All Parents of Jrs welcome :) :)
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    dlbarber

    the best part about cc is that there are parents who have helped their scholar-athletes...
    so this is a great forum for seeking sound advice. Several are good for that. PM me if you want screen names.

    :)
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    Fogfog,
    I'm new to CC. Do you think the coaches are honest when communicating with student-athletes? Would they lead them to believe they are interested if they weren't?
    My son is a lightweight rower for a highly respected club program. His 2K is 6:39. He has won many big races and even junior nationals in crew. His GPA is 4.16 with SAT (taken once) of 1980. Taking it again in March. Rigorous courseload. He was also a 4 year varsity water polo player with many honors, and pursued Model UN every year. He is an all-around great kid, smart, many honors and awards but not "brilliant".
    He keeps telling me that he has a shot at getting recruited to a top Ivy league college for crew. He has been exchanging emails with one particular coach who told him that they are impressed with his academics and athletics and he is a strong candidate for that school (He emailed his unofficial transcript.)His Academic Index is now 211.
    However, I have seen the stats of admitted students and honestly most seem like they have near-perfect scores and GPA and their ECs are unbelievable - honestly I don't know how they could have had the time to do everything they say they have done.

    I don't want my son to get his hopes up, but if this is possible, I want to support him anyway I can. Does it sound unrealistic for him to be recruited to an Ivy for crew? Do coaches say these things to everyone at this point? Son is a junior in hs.
  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    Rowmom--coaches don't have time to "chat" with students they aren't interested in, the trick is to gauge HOW interested they are--top recruit, nice filler for the team, that kind of thing. What is his UW GPA? What is his CR and Math section scores--that is also what they want to know. That is really what they will want to see, along with test scores. Is he taking the ACT? He might want to see if he can do better on the ACT vs SAT.

    When you are looking at Ivy's, coaches support is key when your child is on the bubble academically. Don't be afraid to ask point blank, what are my chances of getting a likely letter. Probably a better question after the second SAT scores come in but also don't stop looking at other options. Have you visited any schools yet? That should be your next step. What if he gets on campus and hates it??
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    Thanks Steve,
    He has visited the school, but not with an eye to attending there necessarily. He did like it though. He has been approached by other very good schools on both coasts too. We are planning to go out East in the summer to visit the list.

    UW GPA - 3.8
    700 Math / 680 Writing / 600 Crit Rdng (not good he knows)

    He would love to take the ACT and has been told he would likely to proportionately better than SAT - but every day the ACT is offered through Spring he has a major Regatta weekend and has to race. Is it too late if he takes the ACT in September?
    Thanks for the insight.
  • RowmomRowmom Registered User Posts: 95 Junior Member
    thanks for PM fogfog! I can't PM yet, but really appreciated yours.
  • SteveMASteveMA Registered User Posts: 6,079 Senior Member
    Rowmom--maybe yes, maybe no, plenty of people do worse on the ACT vs the SAT, just depends on what their academic strengths are really. If he can't take the ACT then he needs to study hard for the next SAT and bump that score up. Go to the parent's board and find the information about Xiggi's SAT prep. People swear buy it. A lot of it is just about taking practice tests, no real need for a tutor.

    It will really come down to how much the coach is willing to support him in the admissions process. There is no reason not to apply to these schools, but also find a good mix of academic/financial matches and academic/financial safety schools for him to apply to as well.
  • SwimkidsdadSwimkidsdad Registered User Posts: 616 Member
    Row mom- for ivies official visits offers are given out in early fall and likely letters are offered near November. If he waits to take his Act and does well it should help his chances for a likely letter but may not help with official visits.
  • SwimkidsdadSwimkidsdad Registered User Posts: 616 Member
    Row mom- The Sat can be superscored to calculate Ai and sat II are included in the Ai. Your
    S has a Ai of 211 with a c CR of 600. If he retakes his Sat and only studies for CR and improves his CR to 650 and scores above 700 in two Sat II he may not need to take the ACT.
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