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The Only College Fencing Recruiting Thread You Need to Read

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Replies to: The Only College Fencing Recruiting Thread You Need to Read

  • stencilsstencils Registered User Posts: 385 Member
    I second @Lvillegrad -- a huge thanks to sevendad, sherpa, superdomestique, & brooklynrye. DD just finished at SNs as well.
  • SevenDadSevenDad Registered User Posts: 4,371 Senior Member
    Came across this link today (while incessantly checking to see if USA Fencing had updated their Cadet and Junior rankings post Summer Nationals):

    http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0101/3591/General_Information_on_College_Fencing.pdf

    It's a version of the Laurie Schiller article posted above..."updated June 2016" according to PDF.
  • mockismydogmockismydog Registered User Posts: 1 New Member
    @SevenDad I am so impressed by your effort. This is what I am looking for. Thanks so much.
  • SevenDadSevenDad Registered User Posts: 4,371 Senior Member
    Two quick notes (especially for women fencers/parents of women fencers):

    - Cornell has new coach, Daria Schneider (former Columbia sabreuse). Here's a video that was posted recently:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev00L5hdu5g

    - Wagner (which is going to field a new team in the 2016-17 season) also named a new coach, recent Temple graduate and foilist Fatima Largaespada:
    http://www.wagnerathletics.com/news/2016/7/6/fatima-largaespada-named-head-coach-of-newly-formed-womens-fencing-program.aspx?path=wfen
  • chelsea465chelsea465 Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    Thanks Seven Dad. The previous thread was so good that I actually took notes, but now to have it all condensed is fantastic! I found the "recruitment timing" discussions extremely helpful. See you soon!
  • SevenDadSevenDad Registered User Posts: 4,371 Senior Member
    Over a thousand views since posting and nobody has questions? ;-)

    Well, I have one:
    - When filling out the NCAA Clearinghouse forms online, there is a section about clubs practiced with/played for. Should this simply reflect the data on record with USA Fencing? Or do we need to list any club that the fencer has attended an open bouting or even a practice/lesson at?

    - Also, when it asks about fees in this section...are they talking about lesson fees? Membership fees? Strip coaching fees? All of the above? None of the above?
  • stencilsstencils Registered User Posts: 385 Member
    edited July 2016
    @SevenDad I agree that the Eligibility Center questions are ultra-confusing for smaller club-based sports like fencing or crew. I think they are really designed around looking for issues in money-sports like football and basketball. My DD just listed her home club, not casual club relationships. I don't recall the actual question wording in the fees section but I expect she included average monthly membership and lessons, but not strip coaching at NACs etc.

    I think in fencing you don't need to sweat the answers to these questions too much. Unless, of course, you are a professional model like Race Imboden, then the NCAA gets uppity.
  • nic123nic123 Registered User Posts: 8 New Member
    So a coach is supporting my application at a very selective school. Like I have a recruiting spot. But I'm trying to write my essay for the common application and I'm stuck. I wrote a decent essay about fencing, but I read and heard that you should write you common app about something other than sports. Does anyone know if it's is a bad idea to write about fencing in my essay since I am being recruited for fencing? Or should I write about something else?
  • SevenDadSevenDad Registered User Posts: 4,371 Senior Member
    @nic123: I've read that sports essays are trite and should mostly be avoided...because they generally mine common themes: like "I worked hard to come back from a set back and triumphed" or "I worked hard but ultimately failed, but learned key life lessons".

    Additionally, I'd think that a lot of your app is already going to reflect how big sports are in your life...so why not use the essay to show another side? That's my 2¢.

    I'm curious to hear what sherpa, superdomestique, and BrooklynRye (and any other parents who have been through the process) will have to say on this matter...
  • saskatchewansaskatchewan Registered User Posts: 73 Junior Member
    This thread is terrific @SevenDad ! Thank you. @nic123 Yes, sports essays are trite and common and offer more of the same of what you have already presented in your ap. Operate under the assumption that you may not have support of a coach. You have presented your best academic self and your fencing accomplishments - now what else makes you tick? How do you think? what will you give back to your college community? what will you get out of it? What if you break your leg tomorrow and can't fence? What if this specific school falls through for one reason or another. Think of your essay as an opportunity to convey something that isn't obvious from your application. Sometimes the most mundane things can really spring to life in your essay, tell us more. Best to you in your application process.
  • sherpasherpa Registered User Posts: 4,808 Senior Member
    @stencils - LOL at the Race reference

    @nic123 - Yes, it's a bad idea. Not a horrible idea, meaning probably not a deal killer, but definitely not the best thing to do.
  • superdomestiquesuperdomestique Registered User Posts: 124 Junior Member
    We were told by the college coach recruiting him (don't make your application essays about fencing) and the college counselor at our school (write about anything but fencing) that the application should be used to broaden the admissions committee appreciation of the acceptability of our son. We were also told the essays better be pretty good.

    Ironically we (as parents) never got to read our son's essays as he chose to exhibit a never before seen level of independence as en entered his senior year.

    While this added to the stress of the period, our only requirement was that he submit the completed application at the earliest date, September 15th, which is the deadline to be eligible for the first wave of LLs (sent on October 1st)..
  • BrooklynRyeBrooklynRye Registered User Posts: 675 Member
    The NCAA eligibility guidelines are increasingly 'fluid.' My understanding is that in the Race Imboden case he was deemed to have forfeited his eligibility not because he modeled professionally but because he did so in his fencing gear with his face showing, as "Race Imboden."

    My son was offered participation in a commercial for a major sports retailer. He was to play "the fencer" in the commercial. In clearing this with the NCAA, the parameters were that he could not be identified by name and that his face could not be visible. Basically, even if he appeared in his fencing uniform, as long as he was not clearly identifiable, his participation would not run afoul of NCAA rules.

    In the course of running various fencing clinics/camps, restrictions have included no use of my son's picture, compensation commensurate with all other coaches participating in the camp, and the inclusion of other coaches and camp personnel in all advertising. Lots of hoops and lots of back and forth with NCAA Compliance.

    However, in what IMHO is a blatant slap in the face to all amateur athletes attempting to toe the NCAA line, when female baseball pitcher Mo'ne Davis was paid for appearing in a Chevy commercial, directed by Spike Lee no less, the NCAA issued the following statement: "Mo'ne Davis may be paid for appearing in the Chevy commercial without impacting her NCAA eligibility."

    While there were all manner of rationales for this 'exception' including empowering women athletes and recognizing that there are niche sports where funding is hard to come by, none of these rationales achieve escape velocity from what is on its face a clear violation of NCAA rules when it comes to commercial endorsements and advertising.

    There are other, more recent and more apples to apples examples of such exceptions in conjunction with the Rio Olympics. Personally, I think the NCAA should scrap such rules when applied to niche sports. The rules were just simply not intended to apply to sports such as fencing, squash or curling....
  • chelsea465chelsea465 Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    Absolutely agree. I saw that Muhammad Ali's grandson was just signed with a model/commercial agency and the media were saying that because he was signed before college, it was okay with the NCAA. I tried to get a little more info on it but no luck. And realistically, for fencing, any monies earned would probably only contribute to "reasonable expenses" of the sport anyway. You would think they could come up with a "non-earning sport" solution at the NCAA.
  • chelsea465chelsea465 Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    I was just checking back to see if there was any new comments on the thread and I realized that I had probably gone a bit off topic. SevenDad, have you run across any NCAA threads that you found helpful?
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