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Swim recruiting questions

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  • SincererLoveSincererLove Registered User Posts: 704 Member
    My D filled out recruitment questionnaire for one school only and she got an email several days before pie day from MIT coach telling her that they are looking forward to meeting her. Sure enough, she got admission from them on Pie day. She was a flyer, not that fast, 1.00 or so for 100 fly. With U Chicago (where D was admitted EA), they don't recruit you unless you can place in their conference, which was 58 second for 100 fly.

    She ended up picking Vandy with full tuition (merit academic) scholarship and her roommate freshman year was a swimmer. A lot of work involved for college swimming and the scholarship anywhere between 25% to 50% is determined when the swimmer joined, which doesn't motivate performance and causes resentment for D's roommate, as she sometimes placed better than girls with higher percentage of scholarship. But there are a lot of resources to help those athletes academically.

    Oh, Vandy is another school without men's swimming!

    Best of luck to your swimmers!
  • ASKMotherASKMother Registered User Posts: 156 Junior Member
    @SincererLove Yes, we were sad to realize Vandy didn't have mens' swimming. My oldest will be a 1st year there in the Fall and little Bro would LOVE to follow her (even though she'll be out of college before he graduates high school!) My cousin played volleyball all 4 years at GaTech and her sister played tennis at Auburn for a season before being injured - and one of our good family friends is a pole vaulter at Vandy now - so we are a little familiar with the extra work you have to put into with being a college athlete.... at least for girls! MIT, UChicago, Vandy... that was a hard choice for certain!
  • dadof4kidsdadof4kids Registered User Posts: 533 Member
    The years on varsity rule is State by State. Many don't allow more than 4, others allow 6 under certain circumstances, including at public school.
  • ASKMotherASKMother Registered User Posts: 156 Junior Member
    in our area there are not Middle School teams for swimming, so any athlete can' play up' to the Varsity team at the high school in your feeder pattern... same goes for Golf, Softball and Baseball, Wrestling, and Tennis. Softball team won state this year with an 8th grader pitching! My son as a 7th grader went to state as part of the 200 Free Relay team along with another 8th grade boy (who swan 2 individual events as well!) and a 7th grade girl swimming for two of the girls' relays.
  • PeaceGrassPeaceGrass Registered User Posts: 22 Junior Member
    Does anyone know when anyone should expect the academic pre-read for JHU to be done? (or has anyone received their feedback yet?)
  • 19and2119and21 Registered User Posts: 29 Junior Member
    My daughter heard back from one NESCAC school 5 days after it was submitted. Waiting on a couple of Patriot League schools and another NESCAC school. Some NESCAC schools say they aren't doing them until August. It is a big mystery. I wonder if they do pre-reads for their top recruits first, offer official visits and then go down the line to the second tier recruits. I have no idea.
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone Registered User Posts: 20,991 Senior Member
    ^^I think they go on vacation, just like a lot of other people do in July and August.
  • College70MomCollege70Mom Registered User Posts: 16 Junior Member
    I'm curious what the training commitment is at a school like Williams/Amherst.
  • BigBlueSwimBigBlueSwim Registered User Posts: 90 Junior Member
    6-9 two hour swim practices a week from November 1- End of March plus dryland/weight room workouts before or after. Optional captains practices during the fall maybe 3-4 a week plus dryland/weight room workouts as well.
  • ASKMotherASKMother Registered User Posts: 156 Junior Member
    edited November 2018
    ok so after a successful LC, summer and High School seasons S23 is starting to talk more like he really wants to swim in college (still very young but he made an individual state meet qualification so now he is considering an Olympic trial ... LOL).
    Here are a few more amateur questions for you parent-of-swimmer experts!
    What is the difference between visiting a school, touring swim facilities and meeting their swim coach/team and an 'official' athletic recruit visit?
    What exactly does "pre-read" mean?
    Who should initiate contact - athlete or college coach?

    And for those of you with swimmers who were recruited (regardless of size of program):
    What would you have done differently during the recruiting/college selection process?
    Were your financial expectations realized for your recruit?
    What has been the biggest challenge for your collegiate swimmer once at school?
  • AcersaccharumAcersaccharum Registered User Posts: 232 Junior Member
    @ASKMother Is your son HS class of ‘23? Or did you mean college class of ‘23? Is he a senior, or in 8th grade now?
  • ASKMotherASKMother Registered User Posts: 156 Junior Member
    S23 is a mere 8th grader; I know early to think about but I'm trying to be prepared. Oldest is a college freshman so I know about standard academic admissions, but she was not an athletic recruit.
  • iaparentiaparent Registered User Posts: 224 Junior Member
    If Olympic trials is truly part of the equation you will be looking at top Division 1 schools and at this level I would have 3 thoughts.

    1. Start early. The earlier you are on the radar of the top programs the better. Starting contact as a junior or senior is too late and will cause problems with #3.
    2. Cast a wide net. Top programs, especially for men, are very limited in roster spots and you have to do a lot of "shopping" to see who has a need for your stroke/distance as well as a roster spot. This process may place more of the emphasis on the swimming program as opposed to the school itself which does skew the student-athlete into more of an athlete-student. For the very top swimmers this may be OK but for the majority of college swimmers is backwards.
    3. Money is very limited for men's swimming. While there are the full rides out there for the very top performers these are very rare. I believe each school is limited to 9.9 scholarships for men's swimming and diving. Considering a team will typically field 30+ athletes that works out to less than 1/3 of a scholarship for each. When you figure the top performers are receiving 50%+ that leaves a lot of swimmers receiving no money. Outside of football and basketball money is very tight for male athletes and athletic money should not be a primary motivating factor for the vast majority of swimmers.
  • ASKMotherASKMother Registered User Posts: 156 Junior Member
    @iaparent the Olympic mention was more tongue-in-cheek (idealistic vs realistic) because he's feeling very accomplished right now (making state cut but probably will not final). However what has also changed from the spring is HIM (verses just dreamy mom) talking like this is his plan - to swim in college. He has mentioned it a few times recently to both his coaches (high school and club - both who were collegiate swimmers 'back in the day' and both who have helped teammates go on to be recruited) so I'm trying to prepare as the parent (and financial backer) what all is involved in the process. We know about academic hoops from my D18's application process (current college freshman) but if he keeps this mindset I just want to be prepared for what to add to that admissions process. Grades and academics will always be top focus.
  • AcersaccharumAcersaccharum Registered User Posts: 232 Junior Member
    I agree with @iaparent, scholarship money should not be a motivating factor for college swimming and since no student graduates to become a professional swimmer, academics should be the driver in the decision. Also, there are many D1 colleges that only have women’s teams, so competition for men is tough. If your S will look at D3 teams, there are great options for both academic and athletic pursuits at all levels and he won’t need to begin contacting coaches until sophomore year.
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