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likely letter and application

xoxojjjxoxojjj Registered User Posts: 32 Junior Member
edited August 2010 in Athletic Recruits
I searched some related topics here in cc and found out people applied in early September and got LL in October and OV in October.

1)Is it necessary to submit application as early as September to get LL? Even before the OV? With finalized essays and teacher's rec..?

2) What about if you have one SAT2 score which is 690 and plan to improve on October? Is still better to apply IVY earlier than others even with this score to achieve LL? (another one is 800) Or wait until October test score result and then report just the new one to the school? Then the application can be done only after end of October.

3) One coach said that they can guarantee my D's admission with little bit of his tip(without full support or contract) because my D's academic stats meet all of their qualification after pre-read (without OV). But the coach said that he can surely make her in. What does this exactly mean?
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  • varskavarska Registered User Posts: 1,430 Senior Member
    In our experience, transcripts and test scores were sent before the coach offered to put D's name in for a likely. Complete ap was sent in after this conversation (early Nov) and LL appeared late Nov.

    I don't know about point 2
    One coach said that they can guarantee my D's admission with little bit of his tip(without full support or contract) because my D's academic stats meet all of their qualification after pre-read (without OV). But the coach said that he can surely make her in. What does this exactly mean?

    Be very certain that you are interpreting the coach correctly. Every Ivy coach made it very clear that admissions has the final say and while the coach may tell you he doesn't foresee a problem, a coach being able to 'guarantee' admission goes against everything I've heard or experienced
  • wilberry228wilberry228 Registered User Posts: 396 Member
    Possibly they use the word guarantee loosely?

    As for the 690, we heard that that they like to see an 'average' of 700 on the SAT 2s but I guess some ivies are more competitive than others, so it could depend on that as well. Depending on the other test scores, I would hope a 690 wouldn't be a deal-breaker.

    My daughter has a 680 on one. If she needs more than that, she will just have to go somewhere else, because there are no more SAT tests in her future!

    Good luck to your daughter. Sounds like this is her top choice school!
  • xoxojjjxoxojjj Registered User Posts: 32 Junior Member
    Thanks for your help~
    1) and 2) questions for IVY school, 3) is for another school which is LAC school.
    Maybe I shouldn't include 3) question in this thread. -_-

    I still don't know what to tell my D.
    so.. application should be submitted before attending at the OV in order to hear from Coach that they will give full support?

    Or attend at the OV and then Coach will tell you that they will give our kids full support and then submit application for Likely letter and admission?

    Usually, in this OV and LL timeframe, which one is more promising...? offered OV from coach in earlier time (like early September) or later time (Like Early October to Mid October)? I think I read it before in cc but can't find that thread.
    Thanks!
  • fauvefauve Registered User Posts: 3,515 Senior Member
    The Ivy coach does not offer the likely letter- only Admissions can do that. So, yes, she would need to have her whole application submitted to be offerred a likely letter.

    The coach can offer to recommend her to Admissions for a LL, or say she has his "full support", or is "on his list", but admissions has the final say.

    The time of the OV is not too relevant. The recruiting picture changes daily or weekly, as coaches and students change their minds.

    The earliest date for an official Ivy likely letter is mid October--around the 12th or 15th- you can search these threads for the exact date. Some LL's go out in December for schools like Harvard that do not have early admissions.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    If a student gets a green light with an adcom--before the OV--
    then can the student ask for the likely before submitting full app...
    especially if its an ED situation?

    Otherwise the student is stuck waiting for the decision--and the clock is tickiong with other schools/coaches...
    If coach isn't going to offer the likely--then the student can move on...
    With the green light pre-read--doesn't that mean the coach can offer the slot/likely?
  • sherpasherpa Registered User Posts: 4,700 Senior Member
    fogfog - see post #29 on the http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/980048-time-commit.html thread and click the link to the common Ivy league LL rules. I think that will help.

    Good luck to your student-athlete.
  • sherpasherpa Registered User Posts: 4,700 Senior Member
    Is it necessary to submit application as early as September to get LL?
    Yes, if you want an October LL.
    Even before the OV?
    Yes, as I outlined on another thread, DS's LL was already in process while he was on an OV. The OV was optional; the LL would have come without it.
    With finalized essays and teacher's rec..?
    Yes.
  • T26E4T26E4 Registered User Posts: 24,274 Senior Member
    The Ivies first LL's can be sent starting Oct 1 according to joint agreement.
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    and you don't submit the application electronically through Common App, but rather send or fax a copy so that if you don't pass muster with admissions, you then haven't used up an EA or ED option.
  • sherpasherpa Registered User Posts: 4,700 Senior Member
    ^An excellent point. I've never considered that before.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    ^^ That is a good point
    so the ED or SCEA schools then dont impact the athletes quite the same way?
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    there's no impact at all if the student sends everything NOT using the Common App system. Let's say the student is considering Y, D and B, all of which have early options. The student can send paper copies of all materials to all three schools for LL consideration. Depending on the results of the admissions meetings, the student can officially apply early (using the standard submit button on the Common App website) only to the school that gives them the LL, or choose between more than one in the best case. Obviously, it serves you well to submit as much of your application as possible, as early as possible.

    Of course I haven't addressed finaid considerations at all. If you already have a good guess about your finaid package and can live with it, then no worries. If you have a strange situation and need finaid to give you some breaks, it might not be a great idea to hurry up with an EA/ED.

    Also, let's say you also love H, and want them to give you an answer to your LL in time to submit ED/EA to Y, D or B. You can let H know why you're in such a hurry: H=#1, Y=#2 for you. H understands this thinking and will try to put your materials in front of admissions in time to issue you a LL and head off your EA app to Y, if they want you.

    I hope no CC newbies try to make sense of this particular post....
  • wilberry228wilberry228 Registered User Posts: 396 Member
    riverrunner I am a relative newbie and I think that was a great post! even if there is smoke coming out of my ears from brain overload right now.
  • fogfogfogfog Registered User Posts: 4,056 Senior Member
    ^^
    ^^

    Thanks Riverrunner--makes sense out of a tricky area.
  • riverrunnerriverrunner Registered User Posts: 2,715 Senior Member
    Thanks :)

    One thing I thought of later about that post is this: if Y, D or B in the example above have offered your child a LL and he prefers H, he can tell the H coach about the offered LL. This will nudge the H coach to either find your child a LL, or to let you know to go ahead with those plans because he can't or won't help you. This may be because your child isn't quite high enough on his list, or he can't work on that particular timeline.

    At that point, you may feel like you see all the cards and want to go with the early LL at Y, D or B. It would be a bit of a gamble to hope that H would still try and get a LL after the first round. It happens, if enough of the coach's choices ahead of your child on his list end up commiting elsewhere.

    Please know, this is a very general example that only applies to the Ivies, and may not work for all sports, coaches or schools....you get the idea, though!
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