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Brown PLME vs Northwestern HPME

motivated_101motivated_101 Registered User Posts: 750 Member
edited October 2009 in Brown University
Hey guys
i was wondering how comparable these two programs are.

Which one is harder to get into?

How do their programs compare?

Which one would would you say is "better"?

Post edited by motivated_101 on

Replies to: Brown PLME vs Northwestern HPME

  • karmapigoukarmapigou Registered User Posts: 47 Junior Member
    the programs are arguably the 2 best in the nation, but are extremely different. The most notable difference is that HPME is 7 years whereas PLME is 8 years. If accelerated is a big deal to you (which it can be because it saves a whole year of tuition) then HPME becomes more attractive for personal reasons. Neither one is objectively better imo. For me (I applied to both and was accepted to PLME, didn't get an interview at HPME), I had ranked PLME above HPME at the start because NU's trimester system didn't appeal to me (I would never be on break at the same time as my friends, and no extended winter break). Both are amazing undergrads and very good medical schools. PLME has no interview whereas HPME does; whether that makes one harder to get into than the other idk; I tend to view all BA/MD programs as crapshoots.
  • motivated_101motivated_101 Registered User Posts: 750 Member
    would you mind posting/pming your stats? that would be helpful as well

    also, if i don't get into the brown plme but get into the brown university as well as hpme. which one would you choose?
  • GoingToSpaceBRBGoingToSpaceBRB Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    If it's between Brown University (normal) and Northwestern's Fast Track, and I knew I wanted to be a doctor, then I'd choose Northwestern.

    Hell, I love Brown. But not having to go through the painful medical school application process is worth more than people think. Plus, as I understand it, you take medical school classes during your undergrad years at Northwestern's program. So, in a lot of ways, it's very Brown. Studying and doing what you want.

    Plus, 7 years and an MD from a a renowned medical school sounds fun.
  • ri1391ri1391 Registered User Posts: 105 Junior Member
    I'm going to be starting the PLME program in September and I am really happy with my decision. I looked at some accelerated BA/MD programs but they did not seem right for me. I just don't understand the rush. Yea, sure, you'll be doctor ONE year earlier, but these are supposed to be the best years of your life. With an accelerated program, you'll be rushed through three years of undergraduate and will probably not have a chance to take all the classes you want or participate in many fun extracurriculars. Don't rush through your youth. You will be working for SO many years- why start too soon?

    Slow down and take the time to enjoy college. In the end, no matter what program you chose, you will be a doctor.

    Also, to compare the rankings of the medical schools, it doesn't matter (to a certain extent) where you go to college/med school- it's what you make out of your years there.
    A student who does excels at a state school may be matched with a top residency (and then a better job) while a student who does poorly at Harvard, Yale, etc. (possibly from stress, could be burnt out, the competition) could be matched with a mediocre residency. All those numbers, rankings, and debates on "prestige" will only get a person so far.

    Best of luck during your senior year!
  • GoingToSpaceBRBGoingToSpaceBRB Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    I think your college years are a great time in your life. But doing meaningful work, day in and day out, in your career.. it can't be so bad!

    College isn't the end of anyones youth. Your youth is your youth. College happens to happen at the same time, no?

    I'm half playing with words and making a point. lol
  • hollyerthollyert Registered User Posts: 801 Member
    In terms of student life:
    You do not want to be in Illinois, on the edge of Lake Michigan, during the winter. You do not want that.
  • ab2013ab2013 Registered User Posts: 1,756 Senior Member
    I would say that both progs are VERY VERY VERY hard to get into ... let's look at it this way: not everyone can get into Brown (understatement here, especially for Brown) or Northwestern ...

    As for admit rates ... I believe Northwestern takes in 40 people for HPME out of 1000-ish applicants, and Brown takes in 50 people ... not too sure how many people apply each year for PLME. Based on stats, it seems that Brown PLME is easier, but keep in mind that Brown is quite a bit more selective overall with undergrads than Northwestern, so you'd be competing with a more competitive applicant pool for PLME than you would for HPME.

    But yea, you'd be incredibly fortunate if you got into PLME or HPME, let alone Brown.

    It's possible, and I wish you the best of luck.
  • Amos Van HiltAmos Van Hilt Registered User Posts: 13 New Member
    I've debating the two programs right now, but I agree with an earlier statement, all these programs seems to be a crap shoot from what I'm hearing.

    I have pretty good stats and live near Northwestern, but I'm not sure which program I would like better.

    And about the 7 years, I do not intend finishing in 7 years. I plan on studying abroad or getting another degree or something. I'm in no rush to finish college quickly, although I know paying for it is a problem. That said, I enjoy the flexibility that comes with each program and feel you should utilize that to your benefit.
  • dcircledcircle Registered User Posts: 1,846 Senior Member
    i'm fairly certain that Brown's PLME is the most selective undergrad program in the country, splitting cross-admits dead evenly with harvard.

    the whole philosophy of plme is different from hpme - at brown you are supposed to take your time, and use the early admission to explore unique and different academic interests. not to rush through a bunch of pre-med classes and have an abbreviated college experience.
  • Sam LeeSam Lee Registered User Posts: 9,449 Senior Member
    ^I don't see how you could be "fairly certain" without any facts whatsoever. Let the facts speak for themselves:

    Brown's average:
    CR 746
    M 748
    W 750

    Northwestern's average:
    CR 752
    M 781
    W 758

    In addition, HPME requires SAT II math level 2 and chemistry. This requirement automatically weeds out weaker applicants. At this level, the admission is such a crapshot that it's very difficult to say which one is harder to get into. But if you want to split hairs, HPME seems to be the correct answer. There are reasons for it: NU medical school is more renowned and higher ranked; it's located in a prime area in Chicago which blows Providence out of the water. It gives students the option to finish undergrad in 3 years (students can stay for 4 years if they want).
  • oreo45oreo45 Registered User Posts: 404 Member
    You sound defensive Sam Lee. Why?
  • IBclass06IBclass06 Registered User Posts: 2,846 Senior Member
    oreo45 wrote:
    You sound defensive Sam Lee. Why?
    Correcting mendacious claims = defensiveness?
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